linux-kernel - Re: 2.6.32-rc3: low mem - only 378MB on x86

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Message-Id: <1254770143.8175.1213.camel@nimitz>
Date:	Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:15:43 -0700
From:	Dave Hansen <dave@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Jeff Chua <jeff.chua.linux@...il.com>
Cc:	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@...itas.com>
Subject: Re: 2.6.32-rc3: low mem - only 378MB on x86_32 with 64GB. Why?

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 23:57 +0800, Jeff Chua wrote:
> # with 64GB
>               total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
> Mem:         63995        524      63470          0          4        365
> Low:           378         32        345
> High:        63616        492      63124
> -/+ buffers/cache:        154      63840
> Swap:        28003          0      28003
> 
> 
> Question is ... is there anyway to increase "low mem" without resorting to 
> migrating to 64bit? (Look... it only has 378MB total low mem vs 850MB on 
> the 4GB system). I've oracle installed on the 64GB system and it keeps 
> getting OOMs!

Heh.  You've really squeezed yourself into a bad situation.  Go get a
64-bit kernel... please.  You should be able to run 32-bit userspace
with a 64-bit kernel.  Do you have some 32-bit kernel component that you
are relying on?

The kernel has a structure called 'struct page'.  We allocate one of
those for each 4k page of physical memory on x86.  But, each 'struct
page' is/was 32-bytes (is it still??).  That means that on a 64GB
system, you've used at *least* 512MB of your 896MB of lowmem before
you're even out of early boot.  That's just one structure. 

The practical options are to use a different VMSPLIT or to use the RHEL
4/4 kernel.  The VMSPLIT option is in mainline and it will let chop up
the user/kernel virtual address boundary in different ways.  Looking at
arch/x86/Kconfig it doesn't look like mainline's code works with PAE.
It's theoretically possible, but not very practical.  I think I hacked
up a custom kernel for a customer to do this once a long time ago, but
it was painful.

The RHEL 4/4 kernel is a big fat hack.  I think they called it "hugemem"
or something.  It gives the kernel (and userspace) ~4GB of of vaddr
space each, but costs you some extra context switch time.  It lived in
-mm for a while and never made it to mainline.

I see it mentioned here:

	http://www.redhat.com/rhel/previous_versions/rhel3/

and I don't know if it was continued in other RHEL releases.

You can get around the 896MB limit, but it's painful.  You'll almost
certainly need a hacked kernel.

-- Dave

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