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Date:	Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:55:19 -0400
From:	"John W. Linville" <>
To:	Pavel Machek <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] strip: move driver to staging

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 06:10:06PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Tue 2009-10-20 14:17:07, John W. Linville wrote:
> > Move the strip ("Starmode Radio IP") driver to drivers/staging.  For
> > several years this driver has only seen API "bombing-run" changes, and
> > few people ever had the hardware.  This driver represents unnecessary
> > ongoing maintenance for no clear benefit.
> This seems like abuse of the staging process.

My mailbox has been filling-up with discussions of using staging like
this for the past few weeks.  I'm reasonably certain those threads
were on the public lists.

> There's no TODO to say what needs to be fixed. You just don't want to
> maintain it. Because there's nothing to fix, noone has reason to patch
> it, and the (working, good enough) driver will just be removed.

"ongoing maintenance for no clear benefit" -- that is what is wrong
with it.

> It also marks driver as broken when it is not...

I didn't mark it broken, I proposed moving it to staging.  As for
whether or not it actually is broken, how do you know?

The drivers in this thread are for pre-802.11 devices -- old ones
(e.g. ISA) at that.  If we actually have users that are willing
to maintain them then maybe that is fine.  But I don't see the
benefit of maintaining these simply as extra targets for API change
"bombing runs"...

> What about removing it in the regular way, that's
> Documentation/feature-removal.txt ?

This has been discussed recently as an alternative for unmaintained
drivers.  I suspect this is better than adding a note to a file that
no one reads...

John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you			might be all we have.  Be ready.
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