linux-kernel - Re: [RFC][PATCH] oom_kill: avoid depends on total_vm and use real RSS/swap value for oom

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0910271821130.11372@sister.anvils>
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:39:07 +0000 (GMT)
From:	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@...cali.co.uk>
To:	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@...fujitsu.com>
cc:	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@...il.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	vedran.furac@...il.com, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
	rientjes@...gle.com, aarcange@...hat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] oom_kill: avoid depends on total_vm and use real
 RSS/swap value for oom_score (Re: Memory overcommit

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> Now, oom-killer's score uses mm->total_vm as its base value.
> But, in these days, applications like GUI program tend to use
> much shared libraries and total_vm grows too high even when
> pages are not fully mapped.
> 
> For example, running a program "mmap" which allocates 1 GBbytes of
> anonymous memory, oom_score top 10 on system will be..
> 
>  score  PID     name
>  89924	3938	mixer_applet2
>  90210	3942	tomboy
>  94753	3936	clock-applet
>  101994	3919	pulseaudio
>  113525	4028	gnome-terminal
>  127340	1	init
>  128177	3871	nautilus
>  151003	11515	bash
>  256944	11653	mmap <-----------------use 1G of anon
>  425561	3829	gnome-session
> 
> No one believes gnome-session is more guilty than "mmap".
> 
> Instead of total_vm, we should use anon/file/swap usage of a process, I think.
> This patch adds mm->swap_usage and calculate oom_score based on
>   anon_rss + file_rss + swap_usage.
> Considering usual applications, this will be much better information than
> total_vm. After this patch, the score on my desktop is
> 
> score   PID     name
> 4033	3176	gnome-panel
> 4077	3113	xinit
> 4526	3190	python
> 4820	3161	gnome-settings-
> 4989	3289	gnome-terminal
> 7105	3271	tomboy
> 8427	3177	nautilus
> 17549	3140	gnome-session
> 128501	3299	bash
> 256106	3383	mmap
> 
> This order is not bad, I think.
> 
> Note: This adss new counter...then new cost is added.

I've often thought we ought to supply such a swap_usage statistic;
and show it in /proc/pid/statsomething, presumably VmSwap in
/proc/pid/status, even an additional field on the end of statm.

A slight new cost, yes: doesn't matter at the swapping end, but
would slightly impact fork and exit - I do hope we can afford it,
because I think it should have been available all along.

I've not checked your patch in detail; but I do agree that basing
OOM (physical memory) decisions on total_vm (virtual memory) has
seemed weird, so it's well worth trying this approach.  Whether swap
should be included along with rss isn't quite clear to me: I'm not
saying you're wrong, not at all, just that it's not quite obvious.

I've several observations to make about bad OOM kill decisions,
but it's probably better that I make them in the original
"Memory overcommit" thread, rather than divert this thread.

Hugh
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/