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Date:	Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:38:14 -0500
From:	"John W. Linville" <linville@...driver.com>
To:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
Cc:	Ivo van Doorn <ivdoorn@...il.com>,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@...il.com>,
	linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org, Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...otime.net>,
	Luis Correia <luis.f.correia@...il.com>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes@...solutions.net>,
	Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@...il.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@...helsinki.fi>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
Subject: Re: [announce] new rt2800 drivers for Ralink wireless & project
	tree

On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:37:37AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:

<snip>

> Really, you should listen to contrary opinion and _you_ should work 
> _hard_ to integrate Bart socially and open up your close circle of 
> wireless insiders instead of fighting his 'outsider' contributions every 
> which way. We dont care if people are rough, express displeasure and 
> show strong opinion about crappy code - but the moment you are 
> _excluding_ capable people and playing petty office politics (like you 
> are very clearly doing it with Bart here) everyone loses.

Ivo almost immediately ACKed 10 of Bart's patches (despite Bart's
failure to post them to the mailing list directly per convention),
so you criticize Ivo for saying he needed time to review the rest?
And you accuse him of excluding Bart's contributions when they have
only just arrived?

> Guys, show some minimal amount of honesty, openness and critical 
> thinking please ...

I would ask the same of you, Ingo.  You have burst onto the scene
only recently, full of accusations and blame for one side and
apparently unable to recognize the faults of the other.  You fail to
recognize that this set of patches is essentially the _first_ time
Bart has actually made any attempt to work on the rt2x00 drivers.
Your partisanship is clear.

At least Bart has finally made some rt2x00 patches available.  That is
how things get done.  You continuing to defend him as some sort of
martyr is completely unhelpful.

John
-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville@...driver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.
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