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Date:	Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:38:59 +0100
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
To:	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com>
Cc:	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@...e.cz>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Yinghai Lu <yhlu.kernel@...il.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, cl@...ux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: irq lock inversion


* Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 06 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > Read the lockdep message please, consider all the backtraces it prints, 
> > it says something different.
> 
> In all honesty, reading and parsing lockdep messages requires a 
> special state of mind. IOW, readability is not its high point.

We frequently do patches to improve the messages but there's a hard 
limit: generally the messages mirror the complexity of the underlying 
locking scenario.

Unfortunately lockdep cannot pretend something is simple when it is not. 
There are two ways out of that: either to simplify the underlying 
locking rules, or to understand them.

	Ingo
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