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Message-ID: <20091109132830.GF26740@basil.fritz.box>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:28:30 +0100
From: Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 22/23] sysctl arm: Remove binary sysctl support
On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 04:41:44AM -0800, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >> >> The glibc pthread code that uses sysctl has no problems if sys_sysctl
> >> >> is gone. It both falls back to reading /proc/sys and it just controls
> >> >> an optimization and the code works with either result. Been there,
> >> >> done that.
> >> >
> >> > /proc/sys is much slower than sysctl though. So you made program startup
> >> > slower.
> >>
> >> Not much slower, but slower. I just measured it in a case that favors
> >> sysctl and the ration is about 5:2. Or sysctl is about 2.5x faster.
> >> About 49usec for open/read/close on proc and 19usec for sysctl.
> >> In my emulation it is a bit slower than that.
> >
> > That's not good.
>
> Why?
Because it slows down a very common path.
> >
> > a) all
> > b) common ones used by glibc and perhaps a few others only
> > c) none
> >
> > I suspect most users would use (b), in fact (c) might be redundant
> > if (b) is cheap enough (which it should be)
>
> Next year I expect b == c.
Only if you ignore ABI compatibility.
>
> If you think we need something better additional patches to sysctl_binary.c
> are welcome. Just add your custom fast path before the through the
> VFS.
I think sysctl_binary should be just stripped down for common sysctls
(at least with a CONFIG)
> > Hmm? There's plenty of glibc code that uses the binary sysctl.
>
> Where? I grepped glibc today. The only use in a recent glibc is
> in glibc-ports for the support of arm inb/outb. The only other
> use in older glibc was checking to see if we ran on an SMP kernel.
That older glibc is widely deployed. And it won't go away next year.
> >> Ultimately what drives me most is that people are still accidentally
> >> adding binary sysctls, which no one uses or tests. For a recent
> >> example see:
> >
> > Yes I agree new binary sysctls should just be deprecated right now.
>
> Good. The only way to keep new ones from showing up is to that I know
> of is to move everything into an emulation layer. I have done the heavy
> lifting there and everything is emulated using the exact same code.
I agree with that.
I just think you should have two flavours of emulation layer:
full and "common sysctls". This can be probably done with the same
code and some strategic ifdefs.
-Andi
--
ak@...ux.intel.com -- Speaking for myself only.
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