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Message-ID: <20091123112228.GA2287@wotan.suse.de>
Date:	Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:22:28 +0100
From:	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>
To:	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>
Subject: newidle balancing in NUMA domain?

Hi,

I wonder why it was decided to do newidle balancing in the NUMA
domain? And with newidle_idx == 0 at that.

This means that every time the CPU goes idle, every CPU in the
system gets a remote cacheline or two hit. Not very nice O(n^2)
behaviour on the interconnect. Not to mention trashing our
NUMA locality.

And then I see some proposal to do ratelimiting of newidle
balancing :( Seems like hack upon hack making behaviour much more
complex.

One "symptom" of bad mutex contention can be that increasing the
balancing rate can help a bit to reduce idle time (because it
can get the woken thread which is holding a semaphore to run ASAP
after we run out of runnable tasks in the system due to them 
hitting contention on that semaphore).

I really hope this change wasn't done in order to help -rt or
something sad like sysbench on MySQL.

And btw, I'll stay out of mentioning anything about CFS development,
but it really sucks to be continually making significant changes to
domains balancing *and* per-runqueue scheduling at the same time :(
It makes it even difficult to bisect things.

Thanks,
Nick

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