Message-ID: <4B129EC6.1060604@redhat.com>
Date:	Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:18:14 -0200
From:	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@...hat.com>
To:	Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@...il.com>
CC:	Stefan Richter <stefanr@...6.in-berlin.de>,
	Christoph Bartelmus <lirc@...telmus.de>, khc@...waw.pl,
	awalls@...ix.net, dmitry.torokhov@...il.com, j@...nau.net,
	jarod@...hat.com, jarod@...sonet.com, linux-input@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-media@...r.kernel.org,
	maximlevitsky@...il.com, superm1@...ntu.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] What are the goals for the architecture of an in-kernel
 IR 	system?

Jon Smirl wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Stefan Richter
> <stefanr@...6.in-berlin.de> wrote:
>> Jon Smirl wrote:
>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Stefan Richter
>>> <stefanr@...6.in-berlin.de> wrote:
>>>> Jon Smirl wrote:
>>>>> We have one IR receiver device and multiple remotes. How does the
>>>>> input system know how many devices to create corresponding to how many
>>>>> remotes you have?
>>>> If several remotes are to be used on the same receiver, then they
>>>> necessarily need to generate different scancodes, don't they?  Otherwise
>>                                          ^^^^^^^^^
>> I referred to scancodes, not keycodes.
>>
>>>> the input driver wouldn't be able to route their events to the
>>>> respective subdevice.  But if they do generate different scancodes,
>>>> there is no need to create subdevices just for EVIOCSKEYCODE's sake. (It
>>>> might still be desirable to have subdevices for other reasons perhaps.)
>>> Multiple remotes will have duplicate buttons (1, 2 ,3, power, mute,
>>> etc) these should get mapped into the standard keycodes. You need to
>>> devices to key things straight.
>>>
>>> Push button 1 on Remote A. That should generate a KP_1 on the evdev
>>> interface for that remote.
>>> Push button 1 on Remote B. That should generate a KP_1 on the evdev
>>> interface for that remote.
>>>
>>> Scenario for this - a mutifunction remote that is controlling two
>>> different devices/apps. In one mode the 1 might be a channel number,
>>> in the other mode it might be a telephone number.
>>>
>>> The user may chose to make button 1 on both remote A/B map to KP_1 on
>>> a single interface.
>>>
>>> Scenario for this - I want to use two different remotes to control a
>>> single device.
>>>
>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>> I handled that in configds like this:
>>> /configfs - mount the basic configfs
>>> /configfs/remotes (created by loading IR support)
>>> mkdir /configfs/remotes/remote_A  - this causes the input subdevice to
>>> be created, the name of it appears in the created directory.
>> [...]
>>
>> I'm lost.  If there are two remotes sending to a single receiver, and
>> their sets of scancodes do not overlap, then all is fine.  You can map
>> either set of scancodes to keycodes independently.  But if their ranges
> 
> You can do this, but now the events from both remotes are occurring on
> a single evdev device. If I assign Remote_A_1 to KP_1 what am I going
> to assign to Remote_B_1?
> 
>> of scancodes do overlap, then even the creation of subdevices does not
>> help --- the driver has no way to tell which of the remotes sent the
>> signal in order to select the corresponding input subdevice, does it?
> 
> The scancodes are always unique even among different remotes.
> 
> I have three apps: mythtv, voip and home automation.  How can I use a
> remote(s) to control these three apps? The concept of keyboard focus
> doesn't map very well to remote controls.
> 
> My idea was to create an evdev device for each app:
> mythtv - Remote_A_1 mapped KP_1, etc
> voip -  Remote_B_1 mapped KP_1, etc
> home automation - etc
> 
> Note that there probably aren't really three remotes (A,B,C), it a
> multi-function remote. Picking a different context on a multi-function
> remote doesn't generate an event.

In this case, the evdev interface won't solve the issue alone. Some sort
of userspace tool will need to identify what application is expecting that
code and should redirect it to that application. So, you'll basically need
a table like:

	scancode -> application PID | keycode

And, IMO, such mapping schema is better handled at userspace. 

Yet, I don't see how your configfs proposal will solve this issue, as userspace
will keep receiving duplicated events (in different evdev interfaces, but
still the same keycode will be sent to userspace). You might be
considering that each application will open a different set of evdev interfaces,
and getting exclusive locks, but this will require a setup per-application, or
to have some proxy program that will open all different evdev interfaces and do the
keycode redirects.

On a scenario that different scancodes will produce the same KEY events, but
each duplicated scancode will be sent to a different application, the better 
would be to have an evdev interface that will output directly the scancode
and let an userspace program to "focus" the keystroke to the corresponding
application.

IMHO, the biggest LIRC benefit over a pure evdev interface, from user's 
perspective, is that it can redirect a keycode to a specific application.

Cheers,
Mauro.



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