Message-ID: <4B1D8932.1060207@redhat.com>
Date:	Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:01:06 -0200
From:	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@...hat.com>
To:	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@...il.com>
CC:	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@...hat.com>,
	Jarod Wilson <jarod@...sonet.com>,
	Christoph Bartelmus <lirc@...telmus.de>, awalls@...ix.net,
	j@...nau.net, jarod@...hat.com, jonsmirl@...il.com, khc@...waw.pl,
	linux-input@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-media@...r.kernel.org, superm1@...ntu.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] What are the goals for the architecture of an in-kernel
 IR  system?

Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 01:34:10PM -0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>>  
>>> Scancodes in input system never been real scancodes. Even if you look
>>> into atkbd it uses some synthetic data composed out of real scancodes
>>> sent to the keyboard, and noone cares. If you are unsatisfied with
>>> mapping you fire up evtest, press the key, take whatever the driver
>>> [mis]represents as a scancode and use it to load the new definition. And
>>> you don't care at all whether the thing that driver calls cancode makes
>>> any sense to the hardware device.
>> We used a mis-represented scancode, but this proofed to be a broken design
>> along the time.
>>
>> For users, whatever the scancode "cookie" means, the same IR device should
>> provide the same "cookie" no matter what IR receiver is used, since the same
>> IR may be found on different devices, or the user can simply buy a new card
>> and opt to use their old IR (there are very good reasons for that, since
>> several new devices are now coming with small IR's that has half of the
>> keys of the ones available at the older models).
> 
> OK, this is a fair point. We need to keep the "scancodes" stable across
> receivers.
> 
> However I am not sure if the "index" approach is the best - it will not
> work well if driver decides to implement the keymap using data structure
> different from array, let's say linked list or a hash table. Lists by
> their nature do not have a stable index and even if we were to generate
> one "on fly" we could not rely on it for subsequent EVIOSKEYCODE: some
> other program may cause insertion or deletion of an element making the
> artificial index refer to another entry in the map.

Any addition/deletion of an element will cause problems, even with a simple
table. I don't think we should consider a case where two applications are
changing the table at the same time. The end result will likely be different
than what's expected anyway. Btw, while an index for EVIOGSKEYCODE is really
important, except for symmetry, there are no other reasons why we can't use
scancode as the primary key for EVIOSKEYCODE. We can't allow two identical
scancodes anyway at the scancode/keycode table. So, we can define the
EVIOSKEYCODE without an index.

 > While extending scancode size is pretty straightforward (well, almost
> ;) ) I am not sure what is the best way to enumerate keymap for a given
> device.
> 

Btw, if you want to take a look, I've finished to implement the table insert/delete
logic. Extending/reducing space at the table required some care, but it is working
fine:

http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/mchehab/linux-next.git;a=commitdiff;h=87d73cbd33235b162e8da62305ba8b5926a1fbf8

The code is not optimized by using a hash table or a binary search yet (patches to
improve are welcome), but it is already working as expected.

Cheers,
Mauro.
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