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Message-ID: <20091213134425.GA4777@heat>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:44:25 -0500
From: Michael Stone <michael@...top.org>
To: Rémi Denis-Courmont <remi@...lab.net>
Cc: Michael Stone <michael@...top.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
netdev@...r.kernel.org, linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org,
Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>, David Lang <david@...g.hm>,
Oliver Hartkopp <socketcan@...tkopp.net>,
Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>,
Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu>,
Bryan Donlan <bdonlan@...il.com>,
Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@...emap.net>,
"C. Scott Ananian" <cscott@...ott.net>,
James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
Bernie Innocenti <bernie@...ewiz.org>,
Mark Seaborn <mrs@...hic-beasts.com>
Subject: Re: Network isolation with RLIMIT_NETWORK, cont'd.
Rémi,
> You explicitly mention the need to connect to the X server over local sockets.
> But won't that allow the sandboxed application to send synthetic events to any
> other X11 applications?
X11 cookie authentication and socket ownership+permissions effectively control
access to the X server by local processes. Thus, as an isolation author, I may
easily grant my isolated process any of:
a) full access to the main X server
b) some access to a nested X server (like a Xephyr) which I'm using to do
some event filtering
c) no access to any X server by witholding thec cookies or by changing the
permissions on the X socket to be more restrictive
with existing techniques.
> Hence unless the whole X server has restricted network access, this seems a
> bit broken?
Not broken for the reasons I mentioned above. However, using this rlimit to
disable fresh network access for the whole X server actually sounds like a
rather nice idea; thanks for suggesting it.
> D-Bus, which also uses local sockets, will exhibit similar issues,
Absolutely. However, D-Bus, like X, already has strong authentication
mechanisms in place that permit me to use pre-existing Unix discretionary
access control to limit what communication takes place. More specifically, I can
a) tell D-Bus to use a file-system socket and change the credentials on that
socket
b) use cookies to authenticate incoming connections
c) explicitly tell D-Bus what users and groups may connect via configuration
files
d) explicitly tell D-Bus what users and groups may send and receive which
messages via configuration files
> as will any unrestricted IPC mechanism in fact. I am not sure if restricting
> network access but not other file descriptors makes that much sense...? Then
> again, I'm not entirely clear what you are trying to solve.
Inadequately access-controlled IPC mechanisms are the specific problem that I
am trying to address. Fortunately, these mechanisms seem to be rare: the only
two that I know of are non-AF_UNIX sockets and ptrace(). All the other IPC
mechanisms that I have seen may be adequately restricted by changing file
permissions and ownership.
> If I had to sandbox something, I'd drop the process file limit to 0.
That is a technique that is commonly used by many people in this space. It
works well for some limited use cases and, like SECCOMP, is too restrictive for
the kinds of general-purpose applications that I'm sandboxing.
If you're interested,
http://cr.yp.to/unix/disablenetwork.html
lists several specific problems. To see more, just try dropping RLIMIT_NOFILE
to 0 before launching all your favorite apps. I'd be curious to hear how far
you get.
Regards,
Michael
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