linux-kernel - Re: [ANNOUNCE] util-linux-ng v2.17 (stable)

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Message-ID: <4B47C0BD.5010700@zytor.com>
Date:	Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:33:17 -0800
From:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
To:	Andreas Dilger <adilger@....COM>
CC:	Karel Zak <kzak@...hat.com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, util-linux-ng@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] util-linux-ng v2.17 (stable)

On 01/08/2010 02:40 PM, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On 2010-01-08, at 14:43, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> On 01/08/2010 01:33 AM, Karel Zak wrote:
>>> fdisk:
>>>   - the fdisk command aligns newly created partitions to  
>>> minimum_io_size
>>>     boundary ("minimum_io_size" is physical sector size or stripe  
>>> chunk
>>>     size on RAIDs).
>>>
>>>   - the fdisk command supports disks with alignment_offset now.
>>
>> I think we should align, by default, much more aggressively than  
>> that --
>> because frequently we just don't know what the real physical alignment
>> is (think of flash media, which uses large erase blocks underneath.)
>> Windows aligns partitions 1 MB boundaries by default now -- I think
>> that's probably a reasonably good idea, at least for any disk that's  
>> not
>> tiny, say 256 MB or less.
> 
> I agree whole heartedly.  We steer users very sharply away from using  
> partitions at all, because on h/w RAID devices the 512-byte offset  
> from fdisk completely kills RAID-5/6 performance.
> 
> Making the default minimum alignment for DOS/GPT partitions makes a  
> lot of sense, and LVM PEs should be on 1MB boundaries as well (I don't  
> think that is the case today either).
> 

As far as I can tell, there is absolutely no reason to not align all
partitions, all the time (for both GPT and MBR... GPT may need a "dummy
alignment partition" to fulfill the "no nonpartitioned space" dictum,
although it seems like an impossible requirement in practice -- I think
they main reason for it is to avoid abusers like Grub relying on putting
data in unpartitioned space.)

	-hpa
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