linux-kernel - Re: [patch 2/3] scheduler: add full memory barriers upon task switch at runqueue lock/unlock

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Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1002010816030.4206@localhost.localdomain>
Date:	Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:23:34 -0800 (PST)
From:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To:	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca>
cc:	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Nicholas Miell <nmiell@...cast.net>, laijs@...fujitsu.com,
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	niv@...ibm.com, tglx@...utronix.de, peterz@...radead.org,
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Subject: Re: [patch 2/3] scheduler: add full memory barriers upon task switch
 at runqueue lock/unlock

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> 
> However, this does not deal with mm_cpumask update, and we cannot use
> the per-cpu rq lock, as it's a process-wide data structure updated with
> clear_bit/set_bit in switch_mm(). So at the very least, we would have to
> add memory barriers in switch_mm() on some architectures to deal with
> this.

I'd much rather have a "switch_mm()" is a guaranteed memory barrier logic, 
because quite frankly, I don't see how it ever couldn't be one anyway. It 
fundamentally needs to do at least a TLB context switch (which may be just 
switching an ASI around, not flushing the whole TLB, of course), and I bet 
that for 99% of all architectures, that is already pretty much guaranteed 
to be equivalent to a memory barrier.

It certainly is for x86. "mov to cr0" is serializing (setting any control 
register except cr8 is serializing). And I strongly suspect other 
architectures will be too.

Btw, one reason to strongly prefer "switch_mm()" over any random context 
switch is that at least it won't affect inter-thread (kernel or user-land) 
switching, including switching to/from the idle thread.

So I'd be _much_ more open to a "let's guarantee that 'switch_mm()' always 
implies a memory barrier" model than to playing clever games with 
spinlocks.

			Linus
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