linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] seastar - SeaStar Ethernet driver

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Message-ID: <20100204231621.7a13695a@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Date:	Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:16:21 +0000
From:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To:	"Kevin Pedretti" <ktpedre@...dia.gov>
Cc:	"David Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] seastar - SeaStar Ethernet driver

> Ethernet Frame:     [6 bytes h_dest][6 bytes h_source][2 bytes h_proto][data...]
> SeaStar DG Message: [2 bytes length][1 byte MBZ][1 byte msg type (2 << 5) for IP)][data...]
> 
> I think it would be possible to re-factor it so that the Ethernet frame
> is encapsulated in its entirety within a seastar message, rather than
> the current scheme of jamming the critical info from the Ethernet header
> into the seastar datagram header.  I will pursue that if you want... the
> drawback is that it would break compatibility with Cray's existing
> proprietary IP over SeaStar driver, making this driver pretty much
> useless for the kinds of things us and others would like to do (e.g.,
> leave service nodes booted with Cray's proprietary software stack and
> talking to compute nodes running this driver).

Perhaps it shouldn't be pretending to be an ethernet driver - that is
sort of the root cause of all the confusion and the fact things like the
bridging layer will try and grab it etc ? If it claimed to be a new
hardware type you'd take a brief hit on getting the new hw type into the
tools but it would mean

- tcpdump etc once coaxed would display seastar frames not fake ethernet
- the config tools would actually report what it really was
- non IP layers and userspace won't keep trying to do things you don't
  want (what does it do right now with vlans I wonder 8))
- there will be no ARP confusion

If it wants to stay compatible and pretend to be ethernet you probably
need a message type for "encapsulated ethernet", you can then encapsulate
anything not IP and stay compatible by keeping IP sent the way it is
now ? Thats if it wants to in the first place.

Alan
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