Message-Id: <20100216141539.72EF.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>
Date:	Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:25:36 +0900 (JST)
From:	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>
To:	David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>
Cc:	kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@...fujitsu.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@...hat.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Lubos Lunak <l.lunak@...e.cz>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@...ck.org
Subject: Re: [patch 5/7 -mm] oom: replace sysctls with quick mode

> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> 
> > > Two VM sysctls, oom dump_tasks and oom_kill_allocating_task, were
> > > implemented for very large systems to avoid excessively long tasklist
> > > scans.  The former suppresses helpful diagnostic messages that are
> > > emitted for each thread group leader that are candidates for oom kill
> > > including their pid, uid, vm size, rss, oom_adj value, and name; this
> > > information is very helpful to users in understanding why a particular
> > > task was chosen for kill over others.  The latter simply kills current,
> > > the task triggering the oom condition, instead of iterating through the
> > > tasklist looking for the worst offender.
> > > 
> > > Both of these sysctls are combined into one for use on the aforementioned
> > > large systems: oom_kill_quick.  This disables the now-default
> > > oom_dump_tasks and kills current whenever the oom killer is called.
> > > 
> > > The oom killer rewrite is the perfect opportunity to combine both sysctls
> > > into one instead of carrying around the others for years to come for
> > > nothing else than legacy purposes.
> > 
> > "_quick" is always bad sysctl name.
> 
> Why?  It does exactly what it says: it kills current without doing an 
> expensive tasklist scan and suppresses the possibly long tasklist dump.  
> That's the oom killer's "quick mode."

Because, an administrator think "_quick" implies "please use it always".
plus, "quick" doesn't describe clealy meanings. oom_dump_tasks does.



> > instead, turnning oom_dump_tasks on
> > by default is better.
> > 
> 
> It's now on by default and can be disabled by enabling oom_kill_quick.
> 
> > plus, this patch makes unnecessary compatibility issue.
> > 
> 
> It's the perfect opportunity when totally rewriting the oom killer to 
> combine two sysctls with the exact same users into one.  Users will notice 
> that the tasklist is always dumped now (we're defaulting oom_dump_tasks 
> to be enabled), so there is no reason why we can't remove oom_dump_tasks, 
> we're just giving them a new way to disable it.  oom_kill_allocating_task 
> no longer always means what it once did: with the mempolicy-constrained 
> oom rewrite, we now iterate the tasklist for such cases to kill a task.  
> So users need to reassess whether this should be set if all tasks on the 
> system are constrained by mempolicies, a typical configuration for 
> extremely large systems.  

No.
Your explanation doesn't answer why this change don't cause any comatibility
issue to _all_ user. Merely "opportunity" doesn't allow we ignore real world user.
I had made some incompatibility patch too, but all one have unavoidable reason. 



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