linux-kernel - Re: [git pull] drm request 3

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Date:	Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:32:02 -0500
From:	Jeff Garzik <jeff@...zik.org>
To:	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@...f.ucam.org>
CC:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@...ux.ie>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@...ts.sf.net
Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3

On 03/04/2010 02:04 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> "Please note that these drivers are under heavy development, may or may
> not work, and may contain userspace interfaces that most likely will be
> changed in the near future."

Shipping it as the default Fedora driver for NVIDIA hardware makes that 
text largely irrelevant.

Jesse said
> Dave and the nouveau guys include the driver in Fedora to get
> much needed test coverage, and make sure the latest bits in rawhide
> work together.

but when it is the default driver, it is the default _production_ driver 
for Fedora users, in an official, stable Fedora release.

And the alternative?  You said
> F-12 continues to ship the -nv driver, which will work fine with any
> kernel version as long as nouveau is disabled.

FAIL.  I actually tried that.  Have you?  Do you think it is remotely 
easy for a technically component, non-Xorg-hacker type to accomplish?

I attempted to use the non-default 'nv' driver just before nouveau was 
merged into upstream/staging, because I wanted a development kernel that 
actually worked on my Fedora-based devel boxes.  It was a complete 
exercise in frustration, requiring at least one bugzilla bug report, and 
ultimately resulted in failure.

I gave up and waiting for Linus to merge nouveau, which instantly made 
my life a lot easier :)

Kernel hacking on Fedora, my own dogfood, has become increasingly 
cumbersome because of all these graphics issues.  Sometimes it's just 
easier to test a modern kernel on an ancient distro, sadly.

	Jeff

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