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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:19:29 -0500 From: tytso@....edu To: Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk> Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>, David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, daniel@...ishbar.org, skeggsb@...il.com, airlied@...ux.ie, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, jbarnes@...tuousgeek.org, dri-devel@...ts.sf.net, mingo@...e.hu Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3 On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 05:04:14PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote: > You can only see it as malicious if you assume they ever had some reason > to keep compatibility or had promised it somewhere. Quite the reverse > happened, and they never asked to be upstream in the first place. The reason why this thread is inspiring so much traffic is because it's fundamentally about community norms. There are plenty of things that are not illegal, but which are at the same time anti-social. For example, there are all sorts of rules, if you are a researcher, about experimenting on human subjects. Many of those restrictions aren't codified in law, but if you violate them, other researches will say that you are a bad person, a bad researcher, and refuse to associate with you. And you might well lose your funding in the future --- but it's not illegal. If we are only talking about obligations under the GPL, sure, no one violated copyright licenses. But what *did* happen is someone basically said, "I want to experiment on a whole bunch of users, but I don't want to spend the effort to do things in the right way. I want to take short cuts; I don't want to worry about the fact that it will be impossible to test kernels without pulling Frankenstein combinations of patches between Fedora 13 and Fedora 12." It's much like people who drill oil in the Artic Ocean, but use single-hulled tankers and then leave so much toxic spillage in their wake, but then say, "hey, the regulations said what we did was O.K. Go away; don't bother us." Distro's that want to have a good reputation need to have a higher standard than, "hey, it's allowed by the GPL." And maybe if we are sinking to the point where people are going to use "stable means ABI breakages are allowed", we need to change the rules, since people want to quote rules as opposed to just being good community members. If you want lots of testers, then you need to be treat the testers, and the other developers in our development community with respect. I think the real problem was that Fedora and the Neauveu community are acting incredibly selfishly. They only care about their narrow point of view, and don't care about the pain they are inflicting on the kernel development process and other kernel developers. This is _legal_. It is, however, anti-social. - Ted -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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