linux-kernel - Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into a single project

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Message-ID: <20100318221617.GB19669@elte.hu>
Date:	Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:16:17 +0100
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
To:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc:	drepper@...il.com, Anthony Liguori <anthony@...emonkey.ws>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@...hat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, kvm@...r.kernel.org,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@...hat.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@...tes.org>,
	Jes Sorensen <Jes.Sorensen@...hat.com>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@...hat.com>,
	Zachary Amsden <zamsden@...hat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...hat.com>,
	Fr?d?ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into a single
 project


* Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

> > So it's good enough to be in Fedora/RHEL but not good enough to be in 
> > upstream glibc? How is that possible? Isnt that a double standard?
> 
> Yes its a double standard
> 
> Glibc has a higher standard than Fedora/RHEL.
>
> Just like the Ubuntu kernel ships various ugly unfit for upstream kernel 
> drivers.

There's a world of a difference between a fugly driver and a glibc patch.

Also, we tend to upstream even fugly kernel drivers if they are important and 
are deployed by a major distro - see Noveau.

> > kernel's fault. But glibc is certainly not being helpful in that situation 
> > either and your earlier claim that you are only waiting for the patches is 
> > rather dishonest.
> 
> I am sure Ulrich is being totally honest, but send him the patches and 
> you'll find out. Plus you will learn what the API should look like when you 
> try and create them ...

I was there and extended/fixed bits of the kaio/libaio code when they were 
written so yes i already know something about it. To say that the glibc 
reaction was less than enthusiastic back then is a strong euphemism ;-)

So after 8 years some of the bits made its way into Fedora/RHEL.

I think this is a pretty good demonstration of the points i made ;-)

Thanks,

	Ingo
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