linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH V2 0/6][RFC] futex: FUTEX_LOCK with optional adaptive spinning

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <4BBB5433.3060005@us.ibm.com>
Date:	Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:33:07 -0700
From:	Darren Hart <dvhltc@...ibm.com>
To:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
CC:	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@...il.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@...hat.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>,
	"Peter W. Morreale" <pmorreale@...ell.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@...ell.com>,
	Sven-Thorsten Dietrich <sdietrich@...ell.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@...cle.com>,
	John Cooper <john.cooper@...rd-harmonic.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@...s-sol.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 0/6][RFC] futex: FUTEX_LOCK with optional adaptive
 spinning

Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 07:47 -0700, Ulrich Drepper wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 01:48, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
>> wrote:
>>>  try
>>>  spin
>>>  try
>>>  syscall
>> This is available for a long time in the mutex implementation
>> (PTHREAD_MUTEX_ADAPTIVE_NP mutex type).  It hasn't show much
>> improvement if any.  There were some people demanding this support for
>> as far as I know they are not using it now.  This is adaptive
>> spinning, learning from previous calls how long to wait.  But it's
>> still unguided.  There is no way to get information like "the owner
>> has been descheduled". 
> 
> That's where the FUTEX_LOCK thing comes in, it does all those, the above
> was a single spin loop to amortize the syscall overhead.
> 
> I wouldn't make it any more complex than a single pause ins, syscalls
> are terribly cheap these days.

And yet they still seem to have a real impact on the futex_lock 
benchmark. Perhaps I am just still looking at pathological cases, but 
there is a strong correlation between high syscall counts and really low 
iterations per second. Granted this also correlates with lock 
contention. However, when using the same period and duty-cycle I find 
that a locking mechanism that makes significantly fewer syscalls also 
significantly outperforms one that makes more. Kind of handwavy stilly, 
I'll have more numbers this afternoon.

-- 
Darren Hart
IBM Linux Technology Center
Real-Time Linux Team
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/