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Date:	Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:10:07 -0400
From:	"Sorin Faibish" <sfaibish@....com>
To:	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"Mel Gorman" <mel@....ul.ie>
Cc:	"Dave Chinner" <david@...morbit.com>,
	"KOSAKI Motohiro" <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	"Chris Mason" <chris.mason@...cle.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: disallow direct reclaim page writeback

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:32:39 -0400, Andrew Morton
<akpm@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:

>
> There are two issues here: stack utilisation and poor IO patterns in
> direct reclaim.  They are different.
>
> The poor IO patterns thing is a regression.  Some time several years
> ago (around 2.6.16, perhaps), page reclaim started to do a LOT more
> dirty-page writeback than it used to.  AFAIK nobody attempted to work
> out why, nor attempted to try to fix it.
I for one am looking very seriously at this problem together with Bruce.
We plan to have a discussion on this topic at the next LSF meeting
in Boston.


>
>
> Doing writearound in pageout() might help.  The kernel was in fact was
> doing that around 2.5.10, but I took it out again because it wasn't
> obviously beneficial.
>
> Writearound is hard to do, because direct-reclaim doesn't have an easy
> way of pinning the address_space: it can disappear and get freed under
> your feet.  I was able to make this happen under intense MM loads.  The
> current page-at-a-time pageout code pins the address_space by taking a
> lock on one of its pages.  Once that lock is released, we cannot touch
> *mapping.
>
> And lo, the pageout() code is presently buggy:
>
> 		res = mapping->a_ops->writepage(page, &wbc);
> 		if (res < 0)
> 			handle_write_error(mapping, page, res);
>
> The ->writepage can/will unlock the page, and we're passing a hand
> grenade into handle_write_error().
>
> Any attempt to implement writearound in pageout will need to find a way
> to safely pin that address_space.  One way is to take a temporary ref
> on mapping->host, but IIRC that introduced nasties with inode_lock.
> Certainly it'll put more load on that worrisomely-singleton lock.
>
>
> Regarding simply not doing any writeout in direct reclaim (Dave's
> initial proposal): the problem is that pageout() will clean a page in
> the target zone.  Normal writeout won't do that, so we could get into a
> situation where vast amounts of writeout is happening, but none of it
> is cleaning pages in the zone which we're trying to allocate from.
> It's quite possibly livelockable, too.
>
> Doing writearound (if we can get it going) will solve that adequately
> (assuming that the target page gets reliably written), but it won't
> help the stack usage problem.
>
>
> To solve the IO-pattern thing I really do think we should first work
> out ytf we started doing much more IO off the LRU.  What caused it?  Is
> it really unavoidable?
>
>
> To solve the stack-usage thing: dunno, really.  One could envisage code
> which skips pageout() if we're using more than X amount of stack, but
> that sucks.  Another possibility might be to hand the target page over
> to another thread (I suppose kswapd will do) and then synchronise with
> that thread - get_page()+wait_on_page_locked() is one way.  The helper
> thread could of course do writearound.
>
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