Message-ID: <v2s40ec3ea41004191417n8f4f703bs23cc092e53bd4940@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:17:04 -0700
From:	Chase Douglas <chase.douglas@...onical.com>
To:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>,
	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [REGRESSION 2.6.30][PATCH v3] sched: update load count only once 
	per cpu in 10 tick update window

> On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 13:16 -0700, Chase Douglas wrote:
>
>> > Also, since its all NO_HZ, why not stick this in with the ILB? Once
>> > people get around to making that scale better, this can hitch a ride.
>> >
>> > Something like the below perhaps? It does run partially from softirq
>> > context, but since there's a distinct lack of synchronization here that
>> > didn't seem like an immediate problem.
>>
>> I understand everything until you move the calc_load_account_active
>> call to run_rebalance_domains. I take it that when CPUs go NO_HZ idle,
>> at least one cpu is left to monitor and perform updates as necessary.
>
> Right, that is the idea.
>
>> Conceptually, it makes sense that this cpu should be handling the load
>> accounting updates. However, I'm new to this code, so I'm having a
>> hard time understanding all the cases and timings for when the
>> scheduler softirq is called. Is it guaranteed to be called during
>> every 10 tick load update window? If not, then we'll have the issue
>> where a NO_HZ idle cpu won't be updated to 0 running tasks in time for
>> the load avg calculation.
>
> Ah, I overlooked that trigger_load_balance() already has a jiffy delay.
> I was ass-uming we triggered the softirq on each tick.
>
> Yes, that needs a bit of a fix to get called at least every 10 ticks,
> looking at rebalance_domain() that can end up being 60s.
>
>> Would someone be able to explain how we are guaranted of the correct
>> timing for this path?
>>
>> I also have a concern with run_rebalance_domains: If the designated
>> no_hz.load_balancer cpu wasn't idle at the last tick or needs
>> rescheduling, load accounting won't occur for idle cpus. Is it
>> possible for this to occur every time when called in the 10 tick
>> update window?
>
> Right, so I didn't look too closely either, but was more or less going
> for the structure than the details. I haven't read through the ILB stuff
> in a while.
>
> >From what I can quickly see, trigger_load_balance() will check if the
> current cpu is idle_at_tick, if not it will nominate another cpu to be
> ilb -- so I guess it neatly fits together, the !idle cpus fend for
> themselves and the idle ones get sorted by the ILB.
>
> Alternatively you could add the calc_load_tasks_deferred thing to the
> nohz structure and do it all from trigger_load_balance.
>
> Either approach would work if the ILB were extended to be per node or
> something like that (Venki used to work on that, not sure what happened
> to that).

I really don't feel comfortable with this code to know how to
implement either of these approaches myself. I have no issue how the
fix is implemented. However, I worry that using the ILB code may be
complex and/or require many little checks to ensure there are no
improper interactions. Will we be sure that further changes to the ILB
won't introduce new issues? In the end, what do we gain by using the
ILB, and is it worth it to introduce that complexity?

-- Chase
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