linux-kernel - Re: Perf and ftrace [was Re: PyTimechart]

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Message-ID: <20100512185111.GH21432@Krystal>
Date:	Wed, 12 May 2010 14:51:11 -0400
From:	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>
To:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Pierre Tardy <tardyp@...il.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...hat.com>,
	Tom Zanussi <tzanussi@...il.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, arjan@...radead.org,
	ziga.mahkovec@...il.com, davem <davem@...emloft.net>
Subject: Re: Perf and ftrace [was Re: PyTimechart]

* Peter Zijlstra (peterz@...radead.org) wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 14:37 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > * Peter Zijlstra (peterz@...radead.org) wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 14:04 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > > Can't we keep multiple references to each page ? (shared page) so it's still in
> > > > the buffer, also accessed by mmap(), and in addition accessed by splice.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure, the problem seems to be that a splice-consumer might want
> > > to inject the page into a whole different address-space, over-writing
> > > page->mapping/->index etc.
> > 
> > OK, I see. In LTTng, I dropped the mmap() support when I integrated splice(). In
> > both case, I can share the pages between the "output" (mmap or splice) and the
> > ring buffer because my ring buffer does not care about
> > page->mapping/->index/etc, so I never have to swap them.
> > 
> > However, doing mmap() and splice() at the same time on the same pages seems
> > problematic for the reason you point out here (and not very useful anyway).
> > But I think restrictions could be done more transparently than what you propose,
> > e.g.:
> > 
> > 1) create buffer -> return fd
> >    (perform pfn alignment for the architecture worse-case, e.g. support mmap()
> >     on sparc)
> > 
> > 2a) mmap(fd)
> >     return -EBUSY if any of the pages has non-NULL mapping.
> > 3a) munmap(fd)
> > 
> > 2b) splice(fd)
> >     return -EBUSY if any of the pages has non-NULL mapping.
> > 
> > 2c) read(fd)
> >     Could probably be done concurrently with splice() or mmap().
> > 
> > This way we would ensure that only mmap or splice is used on the buffer at a
> > given time without crippling the API.
> > 
> > Thoughts ?
> 
> Right, so the problem is that we now use mmap() to size the buffer. I
> guess we could go adding a size attribute to perf_event_attr, but I
> think its makes more sense to separate the actual event and the output
> buffer objects.

It makes it hard to use splice() or read() if you don't specify the buffer size
at creation time. That alone seems like a pretty good argument for fixing the
size before the mmap() call.

Thanks,

Mathieu


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Mathieu Desnoyers
Operating System Efficiency R&D Consultant
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com
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