linux-kernel - RE: [PATCH] x86: Export tsc related information in sysfs

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Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005180022040.3368@localhost.localdomain>
Date:	Tue, 18 May 2010 00:36:10 +0200 (CEST)
From:	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
To:	Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@...cle.com>
cc:	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Venkatesh Pallipadi <venki@...gle.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	chris.mason@...cle.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: RE: [PATCH] x86: Export tsc related information in sysfs

On Mon, 17 May 2010, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> 
> OK, so let's invert the sense of the sysfs file and call it (for now)
> "tsc_detected_as_UNreliable".  Then anytime the kernel detects
> a failed warp test (or any other suspicious condition), it changes
> the bit from 0 to 1 effectively saying "if you are using rdtsc
> against our recommendation, we told you that it might go bad and
> it has, so consider yourself warned that some of the timestamps
> you've taken since the last time you've checked this flag
> may be b*rked"
> 
> IMHO, addressing the issue directly and clearly documenting it
> (instead of trying to hide the dirty laundry in the kernel)
> will result in far better education of systems programmers
> and far fewer end user problems. Which raises another good analogy:
> 
> You are telling teenagers to abstain and I am proposing that we
> instead encourage them to use a condom.

Wrong. A vsyscall _is_ the protection which you want them to pull over
the rdtsc.

You are basically telling them: Go ahead, but keep in mind to look for
that well hidden tag behind the left earlobe which might change
suddenly from "no disease" to "infectous".

Thanks,

	tglx
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