linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 2/2]: atomic_t: Remove volatile from atomic

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Date:	Wed, 19 May 2010 08:01:32 -0700
From:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>
Cc:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Anton Blanchard <anton@...ba.org>, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
	willy@...ux.intel.com, benh@...nel.crashing.org, paulus@...ba.org,
	linux-arch@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2]: atomic_t: Remove volatile from atomic_t definition

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:03:27PM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 08:01:54AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 17 May 2010, Anton Blanchard wrote:
> > > 
> > > It turns out this bad code is a result of us defining atomic_t as a
> > > volatile int.
> > 
> > Heh. Ok, as you point out in the commit message, I obviously agree with 
> > this patch. "volatile" on data is evil, with the possible exception of 
> > "jiffies" type things.
> > 
> > So applied.
> 
> I wonder, Linus, is there a good reason to use volatile for these at
> all?
> 
> I asked you about it quite a while back, and IIRC you said it might
> be OK to remove volatile from bitops, provided that callers were audited
> (ie. that nobody used bitops on volatile variables).
> 
> For atomic_read it shouldn't matter unless gcc is *really* bad at it.
> Ah, for atomic_read, the required semantic is surely ACCESS_ONCE, so
> that's where the volatile is needed? (maybe it would be clearer to
> explicitly use ACCESS_ONCE?)

Explicit use of ACCESS_ONCE() where needed makes a lot of sense to me,
and allows better code to be generated for initialization and cleanup
code where no other task has access to the atomic_t.

> The case I was thinking about for bitops was for multiple non-atomic
> bitops, which would be nice to combine. In reality a lot of performance
> critical code (like page allocator) bites the bullet and does the
> open-coded bitwise ops. But it would be nice if that just worked for
> __set_bit / __clear_bit too.

FWIW, a similar debate in the C-language standards committee seems to
be headed in the direction of allowing combining of adjacent atomic
operations.

							Thanx, Paul
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