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Message-ID: <1275664778.4596.1.camel@maxim-laptop>
Date:	Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:19:38 +0300
From:	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@...il.com>
To:	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
Cc:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>,
	linux-pm <linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] Is it supposed to be ok to call del_gendisk while
 userspace is frozen?

On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 10:59 -0400, Alan Stern wrote: 
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 14:53 +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: 
> > > Hi!
> > > 
> > > > > journalling assumptions broken: commit block is there, but previous
> > > > > blocks are not intact. Data loss.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...and that was the first I could think about. Lets not do
> > > > >  this. Barriers were invented for a reason.
> > > > 
> > > > Very well.  Then we still need a solution to the original problem:  
> > > > Devices sometimes need to be unregistered during resume, but
> > > > del_gendisk() blocks on the writeback thread, which is frozen until
> > > > after the resume finishes.  How do you suggest this be fixed?
> > > 
> > > Avoid unregistering device during resume. Instead, return errors until
> > > resume is done and you can call del_gendisk? 
> > 
> > This won't help ether. The same driver needs to unregister perfectly
> > working device on suspend, because the user might replace the card
> > during suspend and fool the os.
> > There is a setting, CONFIG_MMC_UNSAFE_RESUME and I use it, but it isn't
> > default.
> 
> People have generally agreed that the best answer is to have 
> del_gendisk always thaw the writeback thread.
Now the question is how to do that? :-)

Best regards,
Maxim Levitsky

> 
> > Anyway to revive that old thread, how about introducing new
> > del_gendisk_no_sync?
> > 
> > A less safe version of del_gendisk, but which won't sync the filesystem.
> > Since driver knows that card is gone, there is no point of syncing it.
> > 
> > (the sync is done by invalidate_partition, so some flag should be
> > propagated to it).
> 
> That might work for mmc, but it wouldn't help other drivers subject to
> the same problem.
> 
> Besides, it's subject to races.  What if the card _isn't_ gone, but for 
> some other reason the driver wants to unregister the device at a time 
> when the writeback thread is frozen?
> 
> Alan Stern
> 


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