linux-kernel - Re: perf

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Date:	Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:29:40 +0200
From:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>
Cc:	paulus <paulus@...ba.org>,
	stephane eranian <eranian@...glemail.com>,
	Robert Richter <robert.richter@....com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@...ux-sh.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: perf_disable()

On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 19:17 +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 06:29:44PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've been going over perf_disable() usage in kernel/perf_event.c and
> > wondered if we actually need it at all.
> > 
> > Currently the only thing we seem to require it for is around pmu::enable
> > calls (and for that powerpc at least does it itself, on x86 we rely on
> > it to call ->enable_all and reprogram the pmu state).
> > 
> > But I can't really find any NMI races wrt data structures or the like as
> > seems implied by some comments. 
> 
> 
> 
> I suspect the problem is also on per context integrity. When you adjust
> the period, enable or disable a counter, this counter becomes async with
> the rest of the group or the rest of the counters in the same context, for
> a small bunch of time.
> 
> The longer you run your events, the higher is going to be this jitter.
> 
> Take an example, when you adjust a period, you:
> 
> perf_disable()
> perf_event_stop()
> left_period = 0
> perf_event_start()
> perf_enable()
> 
> During all this time, the given event is paused, but the whole rest of
> the events running on the cpu continue to count.
> 
> The problem is the same on context switch.
> 
> And I think this high resolution of synchronisation per context is
> sensitive, especially with perf start kind of workflows.

I'm not sure what you're arguing, but the knife cuts on both sides, the
above also stops counters that shouldn't be stopped..

> > There is a fun little recursion issue with perf_adjust_period(), where
> > if we fully removed perf_disable() we could end up calling pmu::stop()
> > twice and such.
> > 
> > But aside from that it looks to me its mostly about optimizing hardware
> > writes.
> > 
> > If nobody else known about/can find anything, I'm going to mostly remove
> > perf_disable() for now and later think about how to optimize the
> > hardware writes again.
> 
> 
> Not sure that's a good idea IMHO.

Well, we need to do something, the current weak mess needs to go, and
the alternative is basically a loop over all registerd pmus calling
their respective pmu::disable_all, which is utter suckage, so removing
as many of this as possible is a good thing.

We can always come up with some lazy mode later that tries to batch the
hardware writes.
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