linux-kernel - RE: [linux-pm] RFC: /sys/power/policy

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Message-id: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006171445010.4214@localhost.localdomain>
Date:	Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:00:15 -0400 (EDT)
From:	Len Brown <lenb@...nel.org>
To:	Igor.Stoppa@...ia.com
Cc:	linux-pm@...ts.osdl.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-acpi@...r.kernel.org
Subject: RE: [linux-pm] RFC: /sys/power/policy_preference

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010, Igor.Stoppa@...ia.com wrote:

> i do understand that you are mostly targetting acpi based systems,
> but even there, based on static leaks, it might not be always true
> that lower frequencies are correlated to higher power savings
> (or maybe i have misunderstood your draft - i am not so fluent in acpi)

Right, my assertion is that ondemand deals only with P-states,
where, by defintion, the deeper the P-state the lower the voltage,
the higher the efficiency.

I assume that ondemand is not used to enable T-states
where the clock is throttled w/o lowering the voltage.
I put a note to try to make that clear under
max_powersave:

"ondemand: min P-state (do not invoke T-states)"

Of course it is also possible for a processor to do a poor job
implementing P-states and a great job optimizing idle states
such that race to idle were always a win.  However, on such
a processor it would make more sense to simply disable P-states.

> > it is likely
> > that some users would want to use "powersave" when on
> > battery and perhaps shift to "performance" on A/C.
> 
> if we consider also the thermal envelope and the fact that "performance"
> might steal power from a charging battery, even ton A/C it might not be 
> possible to settle down in one state permanently.
> 
> Or do you expect other mechanisms to intervene?

Typical laptop BIOS commonly implement a scheme where
they maximize performance on AC and bias towards saving energy
on DC.

That, of course, is just one example use-model.
Here Linux user-space can choose whatever policy
makes sense for them at run-time.

cheers,
-Len Brown, Intel Open Source Technology Center

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