linux-kernel - Re: Closed source userspace graphics drivers with an open source kernel component

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <AANLkTinNrpcBg0TXTS78qaI5kPQKD-IbnLpDStu4_BIg@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 2 Jul 2010 08:57:02 +1000
From:	Dave Airlie <airlied@...il.com>
To:	Daniel Walker <dwalker@...eaurora.org>
Cc:	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: Closed source userspace graphics drivers with an open source 
	kernel component

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Daniel Walker <dwalker@...eaurora.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 08:36 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Dave Airlie <airlied@...il.com> wrote:
>> > Now this is just my opinion as maintainer of the drm, and doesn't
>> > reflect anyone or any official policy, I've also no idea if Linus
>> > agrees or not.
>> >
>> > We are going to start to see a number of companies in the embedded
>> > space submitting 3D drivers for mobile devices to the kernel. I'd like
>> > to clarify my position once so they don't all come asking the same
>> > questions.
>> >
>> > If you aren't going to create an open userspace driver (either MIT or
>> > LGPL) then don't waste time submitting a kernel driver to me.
>
> If , for whatever reason, you changed you mind on this what sort of
> connection between kernel and userspace would these components use?
>
> I ask only because I think UIO hold most (if not all) the driver in
> userspace .. So you would have to use some other interface if you wanted
> a more half and half solution ..
>

The thing is UIO doesn't solve the problem 3D graphics drivers need to
solve. Which is we need to let unprivileged users access the graphics
device in an efficient manner, hence why DRI/DRM exists. Now I think
the tegra guys have done some evil hacks with a userspace daemon to
replace the kernel functionality, so all they have in-kernel is a
framebuffer device, since they can't really get away with shipping the
binary nvidia driver linked to the kernel in a real device. So all
their userspace closed bits talk to the daemon running as root with
direct access to the lowlevel hw.

Dave.
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/