linux-kernel - Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe

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Message-ID: <AANLkTinLbRqiLa6fcjsuC1b4yfAhAoLLk_0tzcV4K9jg@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:22:52 -0700
From:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To:	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>
Cc:	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...tedt.homelinux.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>, Li Zefan <lizf@...fujitsu.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@...fujitsu.com>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes.berg@...el.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@...achi.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...radead.org>,
	Tom Zanussi <tzanussi@...il.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@...p.org>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@...hat.com>, Tejun Heo <htejun@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org> wrote:
>
> It can happen in theory, but for such a rare case take a lock
> and walking everything should be fine.

Actually, that's _exactly_ the wrong kind of thinking.

Bad latency is bad latency, even when it happens rarely. So latency
problems kill - even when they are rare. So you want to avoid them.
And walking every possible page table is a _huge_ latency problem when
it happens.

In contrast, what's the advantage of doing thigns synchronously while
holding a lock? It's that you can avoid a few page faults, and get
better CPU use. But that's _stupid_ if it's something that is very
rare to begin with.

So the very rarity argues for the lazy approach. If it wasn't rare,
there would be a much stronger argument for trying to do things
up-front.

                   Linus
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