linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 7/8] writeback: sync old inodes first in background writeback

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Message-ID: <20100723083315.GC5043@localhost>
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:33:15 +0800
From:	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com>
To:	Mel Gorman <mel@....ul.ie>
Cc:	Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@...ck.org" <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@...cle.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@...fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@...hat.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/8] writeback: sync old inodes first in background
 writeback

Hi Mel,

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 05:42:09PM +0800, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 04:52:10PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > Some insight on how the other writeback changes that are being floated
> > > around might affect the number of dirty pages reclaim encounters would also
> > > be helpful.
> > 
> > Here is an interesting related problem about the wait_on_page_writeback() call
> > inside shrink_page_list():
> > 
> >         http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/4/4/86

I guess you've got the answers from the above thread, anyway here is
the brief answers to your questions.

> > 
> > The problem is, wait_on_page_writeback() is called too early in the
> > direct reclaim path, which blocks many random/unrelated processes when
> > some slow (USB stick) writeback is on the way.
> > 
> > A simple dd can easily create a big range of dirty pages in the LRU
> > list. Therefore priority can easily go below (DEF_PRIORITY - 2) in a
> > typical desktop, which triggers the lumpy reclaim mode and hence
> > wait_on_page_writeback().
> > 
> 
> Lumpy reclaim is for high-order allocations. A simple dd should not be
> triggering it regularly unless there was a lot of forking going on at the
> same time.

dd could create the dirty file fast enough, so that no other processes 
are injecting pages into the LRU lists besides dd itself. So it's
creating a large range of hard-to-reclaim LRU pages which will trigger
this code

+       else if (sc->order && priority < DEF_PRIORITY - 2)
+               lumpy_reclaim = 1;


> Also, how would a random or unrelated process get blocked on
> writeback unless they were also doing high-order allocations?  What was the
> source of the high-order allocations?

sc->order is 1 on fork().

Thanks,
Fengguang
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