linux-kernel - Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread

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Message-ID: <20100804204208.GA21452@elf.ucw.cz>
Date:	Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:42:08 +0200
From:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To:	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@...f.ucam.org>
Cc:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Arve Hj?nnev?g <arve@...roid.com>,
	linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	florian@...kler.org, rjw@...k.pl, stern@...land.harvard.edu,
	swetland@...gle.com, peterz@...radead.org, tglx@...utronix.de,
	alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread

Hi!

> > If this doesn't work for the Android folks for whatever reason, another
> > approach would be to do the freeze in user code, which could track
> > whether any user-level resources (pthread mutexes, SysV semas, whatever)
> > where held, and do the freeze on a thread-by-thread basis within each
> > "victim" application as the threads reach safe points.
> 
> The main problem I see with the cgroups solution is that it doesn't seem 
> to do anything to handle avoiding loss of wakeup events.

In different message, Arve said they are actually using low-power idle
to emulate suspend on Android.

This came like a bit of a shock to me ("why do they make it so complex
then"), but... it also means that as soon as you are able to stop
"unwanted" processing, you can just leave normal cpuidle mechanisms to
deal with the rest...

(Of course, you'll also have to fix kernel timers not to beat
unneccessarily often; still that's better solution that just stoping
them all and then sprinkling wakelocks all over the kernel to deal
with obvious bugs it introduces...)
									Pavel
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