linux-kernel - Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three

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Message-ID: <20100813144236.GB2511@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:	Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:42:36 -0700
From:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@...il.com>
Cc:	Brian Swetland <swetland@...gle.com>, Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>,
	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>, david@...g.hm,
	linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	arve@...roid.com, mjg59@...f.ucam.org, pavel@....cz,
	florian@...kler.org, rjw@...k.pl, stern@...land.harvard.edu,
	peterz@...radead.org, tglx@...utronix.de, menage@...gle.com,
	david-b@...bell.net, James.Bottomley@...e.de, arjan@...radead.org,
	swmike@....pp.se, galibert@...ox.com, dipankar@...ibm.com
Subject: Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 01:58:12PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Brian Swetland <swetland@...gle.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Felipe Contreras
> > <felipe.contreras@...il.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not Ubuntu, not Fedora, not MeeGo, not anyone with a typical
> >> user-space seems to be having this problem. I can argue to you that
> >> this problem can be solved in easier ways, but instead I will argue
> >> that perhaps we should wait for somebody besides Android to complain
> >> about it before providing a "solution". Because after all, what good
> >> is a "solution" provided by the kernel, if the user-space is not going
> >> to use it, ever.
> >
> > I'm curious, when does Android count as a user of the kernel?  I
> > gather that volume of sales or users doesn't count.  Do we have to
> > include some percentage of "desktop" Linux?
> 
> You are *one* user of the kernel. Let's suppose Android wasn't using
> suspend-blockers, and there was another equally successful linux
> mobile platform, Foobingo, and they were using them, and they were the
> only ones interested on implementing them.
> 
> What does that change? Nothing. They still need to convince the
> community that what they are proposing to be merged is actually
> useful, and somebody will use it. If not, they can just keep the patch
> for themselves until they do. I don't see the big deal.

So the current users of the Linux kernel are the following?

o	GNU/Linux
o	Android

Do any other distributions or devices with unusual user-space layouts
qualify?

							Thanx, Paul

> > If we're an undesirable second-class citizen, why do people care that
> > "android is forking the kernel"?
> 
> Nobody has expressed anything remotely like that (that you are a
> second-class citizen). Why makes you think so? Lots of people get
> patches denied. Like Nokia's u_char driver, which is *way* less
> controversial than this one.
> 
> -- 
> Felipe Contreras
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