linux-kernel - Re: Proposal: Use hi-res clock for file timestamps

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Date:	Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:47:38 +1000
From:	Neil Brown <neilb@...e.de>
To:	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@...ldses.org>
Cc:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Patrick J. LoPresti" <lopresti@...il.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, linux-nfs@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal: Use hi-res clock for file timestamps

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:32:03 -0400
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@...ldses.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 03:53:59PM +1000, Neil Brown wrote:
> > I'm not sure you even want to pay for a per-filesystem atomic access when
> > updating mtime.  mnt_want_write - called at the same time - seems to go to
> > some lengths to avoid an atomic operation.
> > 
> > I think that nfsd should be the only place that has to pay the atomic
> > penalty, as it is where the need is.
> > 
> > I imagine something like this:
> >  - Create a global struct timespec which is protected by a seqlock
> >    Call it current_nfsd_time or similar.
> >  - file_update_time reads this and uses it if it is newer than
> >    current_fs_time.
> >  - nfsd updates it whenever it reads an mtime out of an inode that matches
> >    current_fs_time to the granularity of 1/HZ.
> 
> We can also skip the update whenever current_nfsd_time is greater than
> the inode's mtime--that's enough to ensure that the next
> file_update_time() call will get a time different from the inode's
> current mtime.

Yes, I agree with you and Patrick - very sensible optimisation.

> 
> Would the extra expense rule out treating sys_stat() the same as nfsd?
> It would be nice to be able to solve the same problem for userspace
> nfsd's (or any other application that might be using mtime to save
> rereading data).

It would be nice, but I would be loathe to add any cost to 'stat' unless we
knew it was needed.
If we had an xstat() which could explicitly ask for
high-precision-time-stamps, then yes - otherwise maybe not.

(or maybe define a system:linux.xxxx xattr which would read as a
high-precision time stamp...  I seem to be warming to the idea of using the
xattr interface for enhancing stat).

NeilBrown
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