linux-kernel - Re: [RFC] mlock/stack guard interaction fixup

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Message-ID: <4C72C139.9090601@us.ibm.com>
Date:	Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:43:05 -0700
From:	Darren Hart <dvhltc@...ibm.com>
To:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
CC:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Ian Jackson <ijackson@...ark.greenend.org.uk>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@...e.de>, Ian Campbell <ijc@...lion.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, stable@...nel.org,
	stable-review@...nel.org, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
	alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk, Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@...p.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] mlock/stack guard interaction fixup

On 08/23/2010 10:59 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 10:34 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> I suspect that if you use mlock for _any_ other reason than protecting
>> a particular very sensitive piece of information, you should use
>> mlockall(MCL_FUTURE). IOW, if you use mlock because you have realtime
>> issues, there is no excuse to ever use anything else, imho. And even
>> then, I guarantee that things like copy-on-write is going to be
>> "interesting".
>>
>> I realize that people hate mlockall() (and particularly MCL_FUTURE),
>> and yes, it's a bloated thing that you can't reasonably use on a large
>> process. But dammit, if you have RT issues, you shouldn't _have_ some
>> big bloated process. You should have a small statically linked server
>> that is RT, and nothing else.
>
> Us real-time people have been telling people to not use mlockall() at
> all.

Well, we have at least two camps of people here I guess. When people 
come to me with unexplainable latencies, paging is one of the things we 
check for, and mlockall() is a good way to test if avoiding that paging 
will help them - so I have been known to recommend it on occasion.

> While small !glibc statically linked RT components using shared memory
> interfaces to !RT apps could work its not how people actually write
> their apps. They write big monolithic threaded apps where some threads
> are RT.
>
> [ in part because there doesn't seem to be a usable !glibc
> libpthread/librt implementation out there, in part because people use
> crap like Java-RT ]

Which is also missing some performance and functionality due to the lack 
of complete pthread support for priority inheritance (and the complete 
disinterest in fixing it by certain maintainers).

-- 
Darren Hart
IBM Linux Technology Center
Real-Time Linux Team
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