linux-kernel - Re: Runtime PM and the block layer

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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1008241550170.1652-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
Date:	Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:06:35 -0400 (EDT)
From:	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
To:	Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>
cc:	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Runtime PM and the block layer

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Jens Axboe wrote:

> On 2010-08-24 16:42, Alan Stern wrote:
> >> Sounds like all you need is a way to return BLKPREP_DEFER_AND_STOP and
> >> have the block layer stop the queue for you. When you need to restart,
> >> you would insert a special request at the head of the queue and call
> >> blk_start_queue() to get things going again.
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > Suppose the driver needs to send two of these special requests before
> > going back to normal operation.  Won't restarting the queue for the
> > first special request also cause the following regular request to be
> > passed to the driver before the second special request can be inserted?  
> > Of course, the driver could cope with this simply by returning another
> > BLKPREP_DEFER_AND_STOP.
> 
> For that special request, you are sure to have some ->end_io() hook to
> know when it's complete. When that triggers, you queue the 2nd special
> request. And so on, for how many you need.

That's not what I meant.  Suppose the driver wants to carry out special
requests A and B before carrying out request R, which is initially at
the head of the queue.  The driver inserts A at the front, calls
blk_start_queue(), and inserts B at the front when A completes.  
What's to prevent the block layer from sending R to the driver while A
is running?

> >> The only missing bit would then be the idle detection. That would need
> >> to be in the block layer itself, and the scheme I described should be
> >> fine for that still.
> > 
> > Are you sure it needs to be in the block layer?  Is there no way for 
> > the driver's completion handler to tell whether the queue is now empty?  
> > Certainly it already has enough information to know whether the device 
> > is still busy processing another request.  When the device is no longer 
> > busy and the queue is empty, that's when the idle timer should be 
> > started or restarted.
> 
> To some extent there is, but there can be context outside of the queue
> it doesn't know about. That is the case for the plugging rework, for
> instance. That also removes the queue_empty() call. Then there's
> blk_fetch_request(), but that may return NULL while there's IO pending
> in the block layer - so not reliable for that either. The block layer is
> tracking this state anyway, if you are leaving it to the driver then it
> would have to check everytime it completes the last request it has. It's
> cheaper to do in the block layer.

I see.  You're suggesting we add a new "power_mode" or "queue_idle"  
callback to the request_queue struct, and make the block layer invoke
this callback whenever a request completes and there are no other
requests pending or in flight.  Right?  And similarly, invoke the
callback (with a different argument) when the first request gets added
to an otherwise empty queue.

That would suit my needs.

Alan Stern

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