linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 2/3] writeback: Record if the congestion was unnecessary

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Date:	Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:12:10 +0800
From:	Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@...el.com>
To:	Mel Gorman <mel@....ul.ie>
Cc:	Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
	"linux-mm@...ck.org" <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Ehrhardt <ehrhardt@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Wu, Fengguang" <fengguang.wu@...el.com>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] writeback: Record if the congestion was unnecessary

On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 04:31 +0800, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:29:04PM +0200, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 04:14:15PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > > If congestion_wait() is called when there is no congestion, the caller
> > > will wait for the full timeout. This can cause unreasonable and
> > > unnecessary stalls. There are a number of potential modifications that
> > > could be made to wake sleepers but this patch measures how serious the
> > > problem is. It keeps count of how many congested BDIs there are. If
> > > congestion_wait() is called with no BDIs congested, the tracepoint will
> > > record that the wait was unnecessary.
> > 
> > I am not convinced that unnecessary is the right word.  On a workload
> > without any IO (i.e. no congestion_wait() necessary, ever), I noticed
> > the VM regressing both in time and in reclaiming the right pages when
> > simply removing congestion_wait() from the direct reclaim paths (the
> > one in __alloc_pages_slowpath and the other one in
> > do_try_to_free_pages).
> > 
> > So just being stupid and waiting for the timeout in direct reclaim
> > while kswapd can make progress seemed to do a better job for that
> > load.
> > 
> > I can not exactly pinpoint the reason for that behaviour, it would be
> > nice if somebody had an idea.
> > 
> 
> There is a possibility that the behaviour in that case was due to flusher
> threads doing the writes rather than direct reclaim queueing pages for IO
> in an inefficient manner. So the stall is stupid but happens to work out
> well because flusher threads get the chance to do work.
If this is the case, we already have queue congested. removing
congestion_wait() might cause regression but either your change or the
congestion_wait_check() should not have the regression, as we do check
if the bdi is congested.

Thanks,
Shaohua

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