linux-kernel - Re: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees

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Date:	Sun, 7 Nov 2010 02:12:37 +1100
From:	Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>
To:	dave b <db.pub.mail@...il.com>
Cc:	Sanjoy Mahajan <sanjoy@...n.edu>, Jesper Juhl <jj@...osbits.net>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@...cle.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, Pekka Enberg <penberg@...nel.org>,
	Aidar Kultayev <the.aidar@...il.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, Ted Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
	Corrado Zoccolo <czoccolo@...il.com>,
	Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@...el.com>,
	Steven Barrett <damentz@...il.com>
Subject: Re: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees

On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 01:10:24AM +1100, dave b wrote:
> I now personally have thought that this problem is the kernel not
> keeping track of reads vs writers properly  or not providing enough
> time to reading processes as writing ones which look like they are
> blocking the system....

Could be anything from that description....

> If you want to do a simple test do an unlimited dd  (or two dd's of a
> limited size, say 10gb) and a find /
> Tell me how it goes :)

The find runs at IO latency speed while the dd processes run at disk
bandwidth:

Device:         rrqm/s   wrqm/s     r/s     w/s    rMB/s    wMB/s avgrq-sz avgqu-sz   await  svctm  %util
vda               0.00     0.00    0.00    0.00     0.00     0.00     0.00     0.00    0.00   0.00   0.00
vdb               0.00     0.00   58.00 1251.00     0.45   556.54   871.45    26.69   20.39   0.72  94.32
sda               0.00     0.00    0.00    0.00     0.00     0.00     0.00     0.00    0.00   0.00   0.00

That looks pretty normal to me for XFS and the noop IO scheduler,
and there are no signs of latency or interactive problems in
the system at all. Kill the dd's and:

Device:         rrqm/s   wrqm/s     r/s     w/s    rMB/s    wMB/s avgrq-sz avgqu-sz   await  svctm  %util
vda               0.00     0.00    0.00    0.00     0.00     0.00 0.00     0.00    0.00   0.00   0.00
vdb               0.00     0.00  214.80    0.40     1.68     0.00 15.99     0.33    1.54   1.54  33.12
sda               0.00     0.00    0.00    0.00     0.00     0.00 0.00     0.00    0.00   0.00   0.00

And the find runs 3-4x faster, but ~200 iops is about the limit
I'd expect from 7200rpm SATA drives given a single thread issuing IO
(i.e. 5ms average seek time).

> ( the system will stall)

No, the system doesn't stall at all. It runs just fine. Sure,
anything that requires IO on the loaded filesystem is _slower_, but
if you're writing huge files to it that's pretty much expected. The
root drive (on a different spindle) is still perfectly responsive on
a cold cache:

$ sudo time find / -xdev > /dev/null
0.10user 1.87system 0:03.39elapsed 58%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 7008maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (1major+844minor)pagefaults 0swap

So what you describe is not a systemic problem, but a problem that
your system configuration triggers. That's why we need to know
_exactly_ how your storage subsystem is configured....

> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.device-mapper.dm-crypt/4561
> iirc can reproduce this on plain ext3.

You're pointing to a "fsync-tester" program that exercises a
well-known problem with ext3 (sync-the-world-on-fsync). Other
filesystems do not have that design flaw so don't suffer from
interactivity problems uner these workloads.  As it is, your above
dd workload example is not related to this fsync problem, either.

This is what I'm trying to point out - you need to describe in
significant detail your setup and what your applications are doing
so we can identify if you are seeing a known problem or not. If you
are seeing problems as a result of the above ext3 fsync problem,
then the simple answer is "don't use ext3".

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@...morbit.com
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