linux-kernel - Re: Perf ABI versioning

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Message-ID: <20110124215935.GE2318@nowhere>
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:59:38 +0100
From:	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>
To:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
Cc:	Thomas Renninger <trenn@...e.de>, tardyp@...il.com,
	jean.pihet@...oldbits.com, acme@...stprotocols.net,
	linux-perf-users@...r.kernel.org, mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com,
	linux-trace-users@...r.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Perf ABI versioning

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:28:38PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com> wrote:
> 
> > This may be generally useful to help dealing with tracepoint ABI changes.
> > 
> > But instead of a global tracing ABI number, I would rather suggest one number per 
> > tracepoint subsystem (sched, power, etc...).
> 
> Nooooooooooo ... !!! :-)
> 
> Please lets stop this madness before it gets too serious: we dont do ABI version 
> numbering in Linux, full stop.
> 
> We use 'natural' ABIs where the lack of an ABI component triggers some sort of 
> clean, finegrained error. Like a -EINVAL on a not-yet-implemented ABI component, a 
> non-existent file entry, or -ENOSYS on a non-existent syscall.
> 
> Such a design is arbitrarily backportable or forward portable, it's extensible and 
> it is actually maintainable.
> 
> In the ABI version numbering direction lies Windows madness ...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 	Ingo

Yeah. But the tracepoint case looked to me quite special as sometimes
the ABI doesn't evolved smoothly like in the scheme you describe (see
the power events case).

OTOH, checking the format file if we have lost or gained fields must be enough
already to, indeed, avoid a versioning madness :)
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