linux-kernel - Re: platform/i2c busses: pm runtime and system sleep

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Message-ID: <20110219100017.GA29493@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
Date:	Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:00:17 +0000
From:	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@....linux.org.uk>
To:	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@...aro.org>
Cc:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>, Rabin Vincent <rabin@....in>,
	khilman@...com, magnus.damm@...il.com,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, stern@...land.harvard.edu,
	linux-i2c@...r.kernel.org, linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: platform/i2c busses: pm runtime and system sleep

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:54:57AM +0100, Linus Walleij wrote:
> 2011/2/18 Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@....linux.org.uk>:
> 
> > Do we have any pressing need to convert AMBA stuff?  I haven't heard any
> > reason yet to convert them to runtime PM - they don't even make any
> > runtime PM calls.
> >
> > Maybe Linus can comment on the PM stuff as he has SoCs with these in.
> > As my boards don't have any sensible PM support, I don't have any
> > visibility of what PM facilities would be required.
> 
> Sure, basically I ACK Rabins patch and his reasoning for it. (BTW
> Rabin spends most of his days working on the Ux500 SoCs too.)
> 
> The runtime PM we need for Ux500 is to switch off silicon core
> voltage first and foremost. The call I've added to switch of a core
> voltage regulator will need to be called when the silicon is idle.
> 
> In spi/amba-pl022.c I take the most brutal approach with a recent
> patch: hammer off this core switch (and clock) whenever the hardware
> is not used. This is simple in this driver since it has no state to preserve
> across transfers, it is written such that the core is loaded with the
> appropriate state for each message.
> 
> Continuing this approach we run into two problems with this
> and other drivers:
> 
> -  Hammering off/on the clock+voltage is causing delays in HW
>    so what you want is some hysteresis (usually, wait a few us/ms
>    then switch off) - sort of a takeoff/landing effect.
> 
> -  Modelling voltage domains as regulators is nice, but require
>    us to switch on/off from process context, so we cannot do this
>    from interrupt handlers.
> 
> Both of these problems are solved by elegance if we use runtime
> PM, since it will provide a hysteresis timeout that can be triggered
> from interrupt context and call the idling hooks in process context.

So what's the interdependence with the platform bus that was being talked
about earlier in this thread?
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