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Message-ID: <20110224182732.GV27190@tux1.beaverton.ibm.com>
Date:	Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:27:32 -0800
From:	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@...ibm.com>
To:	Chris Mason <chris.mason@...cle.com>
Cc:	Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, Joel Becker <jlbec@...lplan.org>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@...cle.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Mingming Cao <mcao@...ibm.com>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] block integrity: Fix write after checksum calculation
	problem

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:37:53PM -0500, Chris Mason wrote:
> Excerpts from Jan Kara's message of 2011-02-24 11:47:58 -0500:
> > On Wed 23-02-11 15:35:11, Chris Mason wrote:
> > > Excerpts from Joel Becker's message of 2011-02-23 15:24:47 -0500:
> > > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:45:44AM -0500, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
> > > > > Also, DIX is only the tip of the iceberg. Many other impending
> > > > > technologies feature checksums and require pages to be stable during I/O
> > > > > due to checksumming, encryption and so on.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The VM is already trying to do the right thing. We just need the
> > > > > relevant filesystems to catch up.
> > > > 
> > > >     ocfs2 handles stable metadata for its checksums when feeding
> > > > things to the journal.  If we're doing pagecache-based I/O, is the
> > > > pagecache going to help here for data?
> > > 
> > > Data is much easier than metadata.  All you really need is to wait on
> > > writeback in file_write, wait on writeback in page_mkwrite, and make
> > > sure you don't free blocks back to the allocator that are actively under
> > > IO.
> > > 
> > > I expect the hard part to be jbd and metadata in ext34.
> >   But JBD already has to do data copy if a buffer is going to be modified
> > before/while it is written to the journal. So we should alredy do all that
> > is needed for metadata. I don't say there aren't any bugs as they could be
> > triggered only by crashing at the wrong moment and observing fs corruption.
> > But most of the work should be there...
> 
> Most of it is there, but there are always little bits and pieces.  The
> ext4 journal csumming code was one semi-recent example where we found
> metadata changing in flight.
> 
> A big part of testing this is getting some way to detect the bugs
> without dif/dix.  With btrfs I have patches to do set_memory_ro on
> pages once I've don the crc, hopefully we can generalize that idea or
> some up with something smarter.

Right now I'm faking it with modprobe scsi_debug ato=1 guard=1 dif=3 dix=199.

Hm, would you mind sharing those patches?  I've been working on a second patch
to do the wait-on-writeback per everyone's suggestions, but I still see the
occasional corruption error as soon as I enable the mmap write case and covet
some more debugging tools.  It does seem to be working for the pure pwrite()
case. :)

--D
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