linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 3/5] v2 seccomp_filters: Enable ftrace-based system call filtering

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Message-ID: <4DDE2F73.2020006@redhat.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 May 2011 13:46:11 +0300
From:	Avi Kivity <avi@...hat.com>
To:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
CC:	Gleb Natapov <gleb@...hat.com>, Pekka Enberg <penberg@...nel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Kees Cook <kees.cook@...onical.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Will Drewry <wad@...omium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Chris Wright <chrisw@...s-sol.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@...helsinki.fi>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] v2 seccomp_filters: Enable ftrace-based system call
 filtering

On 05/26/2011 01:38 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Gleb Natapov<gleb@...hat.com>  wrote:
>
> >  On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:57:51AM +0300, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> >  >  Hi Avi,
> >  >
> >  >  On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Avi Kivity<avi@...hat.com>  wrote:
> >  >
> >  >  >  You mean each thread will have a different security context?  I
> >  >  >  don't see the point.  All threads share all of memory so it
> >  >  >  would be trivial for one thread to exploit another and gain all
> >  >  >  of its privileges.
> >  >
> >  >  So how would that happen? I'm assuming that once the security
> >  >  context has been set up for a thread, you're not able to change
> >  >  it after that. You'd be able to exploit other threads through
> >  >  shared memory but how would you gain privileges?
> >
> >  By tricking other threads to execute code for you. Just replace
> >  return address on the other's thread stack.
>
> That kind of exploit is not possible if the worker pool consists of
> processes - which would be rather easy to achieve with tools/kvm/.
>
> In that model each process has its own stack, not accessible to other
> worker processes. They'd only share the guest RAM image and some
> (minimal) global state.
>
> This way the individual devices are (optionally) isolated from each
> other. In a way this is a microkernel done right ;-)

It's really hard to achieve, since devices have global interactions.  
For example a PCI device can change the memory layout when a BAR is 
programmed.  So you would have a lot of message passing going on (not at 
runtime, so no huge impact on performance).  The programming model is 
very different.

Note that message passing is in fact quite a good way to model hardware, 
since what different devices actually do is pass messages to each 
other.  I expect if done this way, the device model would be better than 
what we have today.  But it's not an easy step away from threads.

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.

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