linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v5 00/21] EVM

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Message-ID: <20110526200207.GB15959@elf.ucw.cz>
Date:	Thu, 26 May 2011 22:02:07 +0200
From:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To:	Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>
Cc:	David Safford <safford@...son.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org,
	James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>, Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>,
	Dmitry Kasatkin <dmitry.kasatkin@...ia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/21] EVM

On Thu 2011-05-26 12:30:07, Casey Schaufler wrote:
> On 5/26/2011 11:38 AM, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > On Thu 2011-05-26 14:11:54, David Safford wrote:
> >> On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 09:34 -0700, Casey Schaufler wrote:
> >>> On 5/25/2011 11:08 PM, Pavel Machek wrote:
> >>>> ...
> >>>> Fourthly, is it likely to find its way to the next cellphone I buy,
> >>>> and will it prevent me from rooting it?
> >>> That will of course depend on the phone vendor. You are certainly
> >>> going to be able to vote with your checkbook (digital wallet?) but
> >>> odds are pretty good that should EVM prove effective it will be
> >>> ubiquitous within the next five years on embedded devices.
> > Hmm. But maybe it is more effective to vote with NAKs, now? It does
> > not seem to have any non-evil uses.
> >
> > Phone vendors will play nasty tricks on us, but... why make it easy
> > for them?
> 
> For one thing, it is probable that in the not-too-distant future
> the phone will not be yours. Many service providers are moving in
> the direction of zero-cost phones. The subscriber will pay the

Really? References?

No, I don't think this is going to happen, for variety of reasons. 1)
prepaid cards, 2) phones are easily damaged, 3) phones are often stolen.

> Most people will not notice the difference. Consider this a
> nasty trick if you want to. I expect that the average consumer

I _do_ consider it nasty trick...

> Welcome to computers in the 21st century.

...and I do not want to help people playing nasty tricks. Protection
against offline attacks should not be merged.

								Pavel
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