linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4 3.0-rc2-tip 2/22] 2: uprobes: Breakground page replacement.

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Message-ID: <20110615175455.GB12652@redhat.com>
Date:	Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:54:55 +0200
From:	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>
To:	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...radead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Jim Keniston <jkenisto@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@...k.frob.com>,
	Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli <ananth@...ibm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3.0-rc2-tip 2/22]  2: uprobes: Breakground page
	replacement.

On 06/15, Srikar Dronamraju wrote:
>
> > > > > +
> > > > > +	/* Read the page with vaddr into memory */
> > > > > +	ret = get_user_pages(tsk, tsk->mm, vaddr, 1, 1, 1, &old_page, &vma);
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if this was already discussed... But why we are using FOLL_WRITE here?
> > > > We are not going to write into this page, and this provokes the unnecessary
> > > > cow, no?
> > >
> > > Yes, We are not going to write to the page returned by get_user_pages
> > > but a copy of that page.
> >
> > Yes I see. But the page returned by get_user_pages(write => 1) is already
> > a cow'ed copy (this mapping should be read-only).
> >
> > > The idea was if we cow the page then we dont
> > > need to cow it at the replace_page time
> >
> > Yes, replace_page() shouldn't cow.
> >
> > > and since get_user_pages knows
> > > the right way to cow the page, we dont have to write another routine to
> > > cow the page.
> >
> > Confused. write_opcode() allocs another page and does memcpy. This is
> > correct, but I don't understand the first cow.
> >
>
> we decided on get_user_pages(FOLL_WRITE|FOLL_FORCE) based on discussions
> in these threads https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/4/23/327 and
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/5/12/119

Failed to Connect.

> Summary of those two sub-threads as I understand was to have
> get_user_pages do the "real" cow for us.
>
> If I understand correctly, your concern is on the extra overhead added
> by the get_user_pages.

No. My main concern is that I do not understand why do we need an extra cow.
This is fine, I am not vm expert. But I think it is not fine that you can't
explain why your code needs it ;)

What this 'get_user_pages do the "real" cow for us' actually means? It does
not do cow for us, __replace_page() does the actual/final cow. It re-installs
the modified copy of the page returned by get_user_pages() at the same pte.

> > Probably I missed something... but could you please explain why we can't
> >
> > 	- ret = get_user_pages(tsk, tsk->mm, vaddr, 1, 1, 1, &old_page, &vma);
> > 	+ ret = get_user_pages(tsk, tsk->mm, vaddr, 1, 0, 0, &old_page, &vma);
> >
> > ?
>
> I tried the code with this change and it works for regular cases.
> I am not sure if it affects cases where programs do mprotect

Hmm... How can mprotect make a difference? This mapping should be read
only, and we are not going to do pte_mkwrite.

> So I am okay to not force cow through get_user_pages.

I am okay either way ;) But, imho, if we use FOLL_WRITE|FOLL_FORCE then
it would be nice to document why it this needed.

Oleg.

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