linux-kernel - Re: [Update][PATCH 7/8] PM / Domains: System-wide transitions support for generic domains (v3)

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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1106231016580.2033-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
Date:	Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:19:59 -0400 (EDT)
From:	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
To:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>
cc:	Kevin Hilman <khilman@...com>,
	Linux PM mailing list <linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...e.de>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@...il.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul@...an.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, <linux-sh@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Update][PATCH 7/8] PM / Domains: System-wide transitions support
 for generic domains (v3)

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:

> Well, let's say this part of the documentation is slightly outdated.
> 
> It basically refers to the model in which system suspend is a separate global
> hardware or firmware operation, so the state of devices may be changed by the
> BIOS or whatever takes over control in the meantime.  In that case the kernel
> has to ensure that the states of devices are consistent with what it thinks
> about them and the simplest way to achieve that is to put the devices to
> full power during resume (and back to low power if that's desirable).
> 
> However, in the case of the systems this patchset is intended for system
> suspend is achieved by putting various hardware components into low-power
> states directly in a coordinated way and the system sleep state effectively
> follows from the low-power states the hardware components end up in.  The
> system is woken up from this state by an interrupt or another mechanism under
> the kernel's control.  As a result, the kernel never gives control away, so
> the state of devices after the resume is precisely known to it.
> In consequence, it need not ensure that the state of devices is consistent with
> its view, because it knows that this is the case. :-)

That's true for system suspend, but it's probably not true for
hibernation, even in embedded systems.  Of course, many embedded
systems don't use hibernation at all -- but those that do should be
aware of this issue.

> So the documentation should be updated to say what hardware model it is
> referring to.

It might be worthwhile to include a little warning about the difference 
between suspend and hibernate.

Alan Stern

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