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Message-ID: <4E0CC824.40909@zytor.com>
Date:	Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:01:56 -0700
From:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
To:	Mike Frysinger <vapier@...too.org>
CC:	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	Markus Trippelsdorf <markus@...ppelsdorf.de>,
	Michal Marek <mmarek@...e.cz>, Joe Perches <joe@...ches.com>,
	Nick Bowler <nbowler@...iptictech.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@...nborg.org>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <Artem.Bityutskiy@...ia.com>
Subject: Re: {PATCH] fix __packed in exported kernel headers

On 06/30/2011 11:58 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 14:52, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> On 06/30/2011 11:48 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>>> without fallback logic (#ifndef xxx...#define xxx...#endif), i think
>>> that's throwing an unreasonable amount of requirements onto userspace
>>> consumers
>>
>> Unclear.  Too much "smarts" in kernel headers is a constant headache to
>> userspace consumers.
> 
> not even being able to include a header without hitting a build
> failure without first declaring some magic defines (which,
> realistically, the vast majority of people will be doing exactly the
> same as they'll be using gcc) is unreasonable.  hence my suggestion
> about compiler.h.
> 

Not unless the kernel uses its own namespace for these defines.  The
thing is, most libraries have their own macro library for this, and
collisions are both likely and bad.

	-hpa
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