Message-ID: <20110714195511.55d8defe@notabene.brown>
Date:	Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:55:11 +1000
From:	NeilBrown <neilb@...e.de>
To:	Jan Schmidt <list.btrfs@...-o-sch.net>
Cc:	Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@...hat.com>,
	Nico Schottelius <nico-lkml-20110623@...ottelius.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@...cle.com>,
	linux-btrfs <linux-btrfs@...r.kernel.org>,
	Alasdair G Kergon <agk@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: Mis-Design of Btrfs?

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:37:41 +0200 Jan Schmidt <list.btrfs@...-o-sch.net>
wrote:

> Hi Neil,
> 
> On 14.07.2011 08:38, NeilBrown wrote:
> > I imagine a new field in 'struct bio' which was normally zero but could be
> > some small integer.  It is only meaningful for read.
> > When 0 it means "get this data way you like".
> > When non-zero it means "get this data using method N", where the different
> > methods are up to the device.
> > 
> > For a mirrored RAID, method N means read from device N-1.
> > For stripe/parity RAID, method 1 means "use other data blocks and parity
> > blocks to reconstruct data.
> > 
> > The default for non RAID devices is to return EINVAL for any N > 0.
> > A remapping device (dm-linear, dm-stripe etc) would just pass the number
> > down.  I'm not sure how RAID1 over RAID5 would handle it... that might need
> > some thought.
> > 
> > So if btrfs reads a block and the checksum looks wrong, it reads again with
> > a larger N.  It continues incrementing N and retrying until it gets a block
> > that it likes or it gets EINVAL.  There should probably be an error code
> > (EAGAIN?) which means "I cannot work with that number, but try the next one".
> 
> I like this idea. It comes pretty close to what btrfs is currently doing
> (what was the reason for this thread being started, wasn't it?), only
> not within struct bio.
> 
> The way you describe the extra parameter is input only. I think it would
> be a nice add on if we knew which "N" was used when "0" passed for the
> request. At least for the RAID1 case, I'd like to see that when I submit
> a bio with method (or whatever we call it) "0", it comes back with the
> method field set to the value that reflects the method the device
> actually used. Obviously, when passing non-zero values, the bio would
> have to come back with that value unmodified.
> 
> That way, we'll get more control on the retry algorithms and are free to
> decide not to use the failed method again, if we like.
> 
> Setting "method" on the return path might be valuable not only for
> RAID1, but I haven't thought that trough.
> 
> -Jan

That sounds like it would be reasonable...

It would be important not to read too much into the number though.  i.e.
don't think of it as "RAID1" but keep a much more abstract idea, else you
could run into trouble.

A (near) future addition to md is keeping track of 'bad blocks' so we can
fail more gracefully as devices start to fail.
So a read request to a RAID1 might not be served by just one device, but
might be served by one device for some parts, and another device for other
parts, so as to avoid one or more 'bad blocks'.

I think I could still provide a reasonably consistent mapping from 'arbitrary
number' to 'set of devices', but it may not be what you expect.  And the
number '1' may well correspond to different devices for different bi_sector
offsets.

i.e. the abstraction must allow the low level implementation substantial
freedom to choosing how to implement each request.

But yes - I don't see why we couldn't report which strategy was used with the
implication that using that same strategy at the same offset with the same
size would be expected to produce the same result.

NeilBrown
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