lists.openwall.net   lists  /  announce  owl-users  owl-dev  john-users  john-dev  passwdqc-users  yescrypt  popa3d-users  /  oss-security  kernel-hardening  musl  sabotage  tlsify  passwords  /  crypt-dev  xvendor  /  Bugtraq  Full-Disclosure  linux-kernel  linux-netdev  linux-ext4  linux-hardening  linux-cve-announce  PHC 
Open Source and information security mailing list archives
 
Hash Suite for Android: free password hash cracker in your pocket
[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]
Date:	Fri, 5 Aug 2011 18:32:49 -0500 (CDT)
From:	Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com>
To:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...ux.intel.com>
cc:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Andi Kleen <ak@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [x86] Fix prefetch instruction

On Fri, 5 Aug 2011, H. Peter Anvin wrote:

> On 08/05/2011 02:10 PM, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you done any performance analysis on this versus the null case?  I
> >> know there are some workloads where it helps, but if it hurts as many as
> >> it helps...
> >
> > No I have not. prefetch IMHO means that the cacheline is fetched early so
> > that the cacheline is fully available like any other to the code.
> > prefetchnta does fetch the cacheline too but its not treated like the other cacheline but
> > preferably thrown out again. Its a "streamfetch" designed for apps that
> > scan over large amounts of memory and want to avoid cache pollution.
> >
> > This is surprising to the end user as far as I can tell.
> >
>
> Right.  However, Linus has brought up the hypothesis that prefetch might
> actually be a net loss on x86, because current x86 processors are
> generally doing a good job with prefetching in hardware.  Directed
> prefetches can thus be a net minus.

This kinid of prefetch is a minus because the cache is evicted early. It
was prefetched with a special hint so its likely very important. That does
not seem to be very consistent and may cause regressions. Changing it to a
full prefetch would make the important cacheline stay longer in the cache.


--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Powered by blists - more mailing lists

Powered by Openwall GNU/*/Linux Powered by OpenVZ