Message-ID: <20111003164606.GI17108@phenom.oracle.com>
Date:	Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:46:06 -0400
From:	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@...cle.com>
To:	Thomas Hellstrom <thellstrom@...are.com>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org,
	bskeggs@...hat.com, j.glisse@...hat.com, thomas@...pmail.org,
	airlied@...hat.com, airlied@...ux.ie, alexdeucher@...il.com,
	xen-devel@...ts.xensource.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] TTM DMA pool v1.8

On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 06:35:42PM +0200, Thomas Hellstrom wrote:
> On 09/30/2011 04:09 PM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> >On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 08:59:52AM +0200, Thomas Hellstrom wrote:
> >>Konrad,
> >>
> >>I'm really sorry for taking so long to review this.
> >That is OK. We all are busy - and it gave me some time to pretty
> >up the code even more.
> >
> >>I'd like to go through a couple of high-level things first before
> >>reviewing the coding itself.
> >>
> >>The page_alloc_func structure looks nice, but I'd like to have it
> >>per ttm backend,
> >Meaning the 'struct ttm_backend_func' right?
> >
> 
> Yes, that's right.
> 
> >>we would just need to make sure that the backend is alive when we
> >>alloc / free pages.
> >>The reason for this is that there may be backends that want to
> >>allocate dma memory running simultaneously with those who don't.
> >As in for some TTM manager use the non-DMA, and for other DMA
> >(is_dma32 is set?) Or say two cards - one that has the concept
> >of MMU and one that does not and both of them are readeon?
> 
> For example, or let's say you have a low-end system that in the
> future needs to
> allocate DMA memory, and want to plug in a high-end graphics card,
> like Radeon.
> 
> 
> 
> >>When the backend fires up, it can determine whether to use DMA
> >>memory or not.
> >Or more of backends (and drivers) that do not have any concept
> >of MMU and just use framebuffers and such?
> >
> >I think we would just have to stick in a pointer to the
> >appropiate 'struct ttm_page_alloc_func' (and the 'struct device')
> >in the 'struct ttm_backend_func'. And this would be done by
> >backend that would decided which one to use.
> 
> Yes, either that, or merge the two structs.
> 
> >And the TTM could find out which page_alloc_func to use straight
> >from the ttm_backend_func and call that (along with the 'struct device'
> >also gathered from that structure). Rough idea (on top of the patches):
> >
> >diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c b/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c
> >index dd05db3..e7a0c3c 100644
> >--- a/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c
> >+++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c
> >@@ -902,12 +902,12 @@ struct ttm_page_alloc_func ttm_page_alloc_default = {
> >
> >  int ttm_get_pages(struct list_head *pages, int flags,
> >  		  enum ttm_caching_state cstate, unsigned count,
> >-		  dma_addr_t *dma_address, struct device *dev)
> >+		  dma_addr_t *dma_address, struct ttm_backend *be)
> 
> I'd like to see it even more simple. If the ttm_backend_func is
> responsible for allocating pages,
> ttm_get_pages would be called by the backend code, and the
> dma_addr_t pointer can be kept
> in the backend object. No need to expose neither device nor dma
> address to core ttm that
> really doesn't want to care. The dma_address is then available in
> the backend only
> for binding / unbinding, and ttm_get_pages will be called
> exclusively by the backend, and its
> interface can pass struct device.

<nods> OK, let me start cracking on that.
> 
> >And "ttm/tt: Move ttm_tt_set_page_caching implementation in TTM page pool code."
> >would still be there, except it would be done per ttm-backend. Well
> >by choosing which TTM page pool the TTM backend would use.
> >
> 
> Yes.
> 
> >>2) Memory accounting: If the number DMA pages are limited in a way
> >>that the ttm memory global routines are not aware of. How do we
> >>handle memory accounting? (How do we avoid exhausting IOMMU space)?
> >Good question. Not entirely sure about that. I know that on
> >SWIOTLB there is no limit (as you do not use the bounce buffer)
> >but not sure about VT-D, AMD-VI, GART, or when there is no IOMMU.
> >
> >Let me get back to you on that.
> >
> >Granted, the code _only_ gets activated when we use SWIOTLB right
> >now so the answer is "no exhausting" currently. Either way let me
> >dig a bit deeper.
> 
> I'm fine with it working OK with SWIOTLB now.
> When we need to handle other situations, let's find out how to do it then.

<nods>
> 
> >>3) Page swapping. Currently we just copy pages to shmem pages and
> >>then free device pages. In the future we'd probably like to insert
> >>non-dma pages directly into the swap cache. Is it possible to
> >>differentiate dma pages from pages that are directly insertable?
> >Yes. The TTM DMA pool keeps track of which pages belong to which
> >pool and will reject non-dma pages (or pages which belong to
> >a different pool). It is fairly easy to expose that check
> >so that the generic TTM code can make the proper distinction.
> >
> >But also - once you free a device page ('cached') it gets freed.
> >The other pages (writecombine,  writeback, uncached) end up sitting
> >in a recycle pool to be used. This is believe how the current
> >TTM page code works right now (and this TTM DMA pool follows).
> 
> Yes, that's OK, as long as the system shrinker can free those pages.

It does now (I had a spinlock mishap).. which reminds me - how
do I test these patches with your vmwgfx driver? I've an old version
of VMWare Workstation 8, would that do?
> 
> >The swapping code back (so from swap to pool) does not seem to
> >distinguish it that much - it just allocates a new page - and
> >then copies from whatever was in the swap cache?
> >
> >This is something you were thinking to do in the future I presume?
> 
> Yes. If / when I do that, I might be adding a new backend function
> to put a ttm in an
> "anonymous state", that is using only pages that can be inserted in
> the swap cache or passed
> around to other devices, and to put a ttm in a "device" state, that
> copies it to device mappable pages.

OK, that should be no trouble - we would need to expose a function
call to "detach" the page from the TTM pool (which could mean
actually allocating a new page for the "other" device, and copying
it from the "source" to "other" and then freeing the "source).

I am thinking ... you hotplug an high-end radeon while the machine has
an ATI ES1000 in it, and want to move those pages to the new
card. The ATI ES1000 can only do up to 4GB, while the new fancy card
has no such limits (and perhaps does not want to use the TTM DMA
pool).

Is this what you had in mind?
> 
> Thanks,
> /Thomas
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