Message-ID: <4EC4E89F.2060608@polito.it>
Date:	Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:57:35 +0100
From:	Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@...ito.it>
To:	Rajiv Andrade <srajiv@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
CC:	Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, jmorris@...ei.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] ima: split ima_add_digest_entry() function

On 11/16/2011 07:52 PM, Rajiv Andrade wrote:
>
> Thanks, Rajiv Andrade Security Development IBM Linux Technology Center
>
> On 16-11-2011 12:37, Roberto Sassu wrote:
>> On 11/16/2011 02:38 PM, Mimi Zohar wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2011-11-16 at 11:10 +0100, Roberto Sassu wrote:
>>>> The ima_add_digest_entry() function has been split in order to avoid
>>>> adding an entry in the measurements list for which the PCR extend
>>>> operation subsequently fails. Required memory is allocated earlier
>>>> in the
>>>> new function ima_prepare_template_entry() and the template entry is
>>>> added
>>>> after ima_pcr_extend().
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Roberto Sassu<roberto.sassu@...ito.it>
>>>
>>
>> Hi Mimi
>>
>> i don't know if this condition can happen, but suppose that
>> for whatever reason the PCR extend fails. In this case, since
>> the PCR is not extended, the measurements list can be modified,
>> by removing the non-measured entry, without this fact being
>> detected by the verifier. So, probably we can avoid to display
>> the entry.
>>
>>
> Hi Roberto,
>
> IMA's trustworthiness is built on the assumption that the TPM underneath
> can
> be trusted. If that can't be, the eventlog alone doesn't provide us any
> security.
> It's the TPM device driver's job though to workaround any HW bug so that
> in the
> end all its stakeholders have their commands processed successfully, as
> we've
> pursued in some changes here:
>

Hi Rajiv

thanks for your comments.

I absolutely agree that we have to trust the TPM for the correct
execution of IMA.

I think the principle that has been used to build IMA (according
to the TGC specifications) is that we can trust the eventlog
as long as the measurement infrastructure is reliable or it is
possible to detect a threat from previous measurements.

For this reason, a system call is never executed before the
inode measurement is inserted in the eventlog and the PCR
is extended. Since these operations must be considered as
atomic, their execution is protected by a mutex, that is
released only after all tasks have been performed. This
ensures that we begin with a measured kernel and we can
reliably measure all further interactions. This also explains,
in my view, why delaying the PCR extend operation may lead
to security risks.

About my patch, i did not move out the protected region any
of the above described operations. Instead, i'm preventing
measurements for which the PCR extend failed to be added to
the measurements list, because in any case it is impossible
for a verifier to detect their removal from the list.

As i mentioned in the previous mail, one solution to overcome
this issue is to deny, on the platform running IMA, the execution
of those system calls for which the measurement process ended
with an error.

Regards

Roberto Sassu


> http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=132144742019589&w=2
> <http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=132144742019589&w=2>
>
> What you're doing is to indeed move part of that trust to the software
> stack,
> assuming that in case the TPM fails to process a command, you could fall
> back to
> the event log anyways. It isn't a matter of it's a right or wrong
> software engineering
> decision, but inside the trusted computing scope, it breaks the model.
>
> Rajiv
>

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