linux-kernel - Re: what's the replace for the big kernel lock after kernel version 2.6.39 for system call.

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Message-Id: <201111300944.27607.tvrtko.ursulin@onelan.co.uk>
Date:	Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:44:27 +0000
From:	Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@...lan.co.uk>
To:	Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>
Cc:	Wen Yan Xin <WenYan_Xin@...antec.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Zongliang Li <Zongliang_Li@...antec.com>,
	Gang He <Gang_He@...antec.com>,
	Yong Jun Chai <YongJun_Chai@...antec.com>
Subject: Re: what's the replace for the big kernel lock after kernel version 2.6.39 for system call.

On Tuesday 29 Nov 2011 21:41:36 Al Viro wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 01:03:07AM -0800, Wen Yan Xin wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I have a trouble of working on kernel 2.6.39 and later. Originally when
> > our kernel module startups, it hooks some file system call, like
> > sys_open... , and the big kernel lock - lock_kernel() - will be held
> > before creating the hook to prevent user application use system calls,
> > and be released after the hook created.
> > 
> > 
> > But after the kernel 2.6.39, the big kernel lock has been removed. I'm
> > thinking there should be one or more lock that should be used.
> > 
> > So, my question is which lock should be held now, when we hook the system
> > call of file system?
> > 
> > I'd really appreciate your answer in advance.
> 
> 1) your rootkit has always been racy; taking BKL does *NOT* prevent another
> CPU from entering a system call.
> 
> 2) none; just don't do it.

Hi Al,

Why not be a nice guy when you already took the effort of replying and mention 
fanotify? Because I am sure you know the history and when you see a security 
vendor asking these things, you never know, maybe it fits their requirements. 
Maybe it is not your favourite thing as well, but not a reason not to mention 
it.

And strictly speaking, rootkits actively try to hide themselves hence whatever 
unsafe, ugly and wrong stuff they might have it is not a rootkit. :)

Regards,

Tvrtko
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