linux-kernel - Re: [patch 1/4] Add routine for generating an ID for kernel pointer

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Message-ID: <20111228194808.GC19321@moon>
Date:	Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:48:08 +0400
From:	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@...il.com>
To:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@...allels.com>,
	Glauber Costa <glommer@...allels.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
	Matt Helsley <matthltc@...ibm.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@...nel.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>,
	Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@...nwall.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/4] Add routine for generating an ID for kernel pointer

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 09:35:02PM +0400, Cyrill Gorcunov wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 05:21:51PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > It can happen in case of object re-allocated from slab. But in case
> > > of two living pids it's impossible to get same pointers for different
> > > objects. Or I misunderstood the question, Alan? It's up to application
> > > to not compare objects from dead tasks.
> > 
> > How will it know the task has not died and been reallocated, or its
> > resources not been freed and reallocated during the comparison ?
> > 
> > Your comparison appears to have a zero time validity - you can ask "is A
> > the same as B" but by the time you get an answer your answer may no
> > longer be true. It also externalises a current implementation
> > detail in a very ugly way.
> >
> 
> It's not differ from reading other data from /proc. How make you be sure
> the PPid read from a task status is the same once you've finished reading
> it? The same applies to say ps output, it's valid for almost zero time,
> then one need to restart ps again to get new process tree snapshot. The
> same here -- if I need a precise results I have to either stop tasks or
> froze them and compare IDs. That's what I've had in mind.
> 
> > Would it also not be better to do the job right and simply have an
> > interface to ask "who shares with A" or even something a bit more high
> > level, it seems you are creating something nastier by trying to push all
> > this in userspace than if you did the job or part of it kernel side where
> > you had access to the right locking infrastructure and where the public
> > API doesn't need to expose innards of the kernel ?
> > 
> 
> Need to think, thanks a lot for idea, Alan!
> 

You know, Alan, I thought about different ways... but eventually I think
having _this_ interface is better than anything else (of course along with
addressing problems Tejun mentioned). "Who shares with A" doesn't make
situation better, once I obtain the result it's not valid anymore and
I have to either do the same requests again and again, or stop/freeze
tasks before asking which resources they do share. The interface provided
now gives the *minimun* information user-space needed to draw the shared
resources affinity scheme, and I would like to escape putting more work
on kernel side if possible. Sounds reasonable?

	Cyrill
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